Little things the ex-Manjaro user needs to know :D

[Kresimir]

For me it’s snapd first, then steam, then pamac.

Unlike the other two, Pamac is really not that bad, I feel no hatred towards it, I just don’t need it.

[Kresimir]

From man pacman:

REMOVE OPTIONS (APPLY TO -R)
-c, --cascade
Remove all target packages, as well as all packages that depend on one or more target packages. This operation is recursive and must be used with care, since it can remove many potentially needed packages.

I wouldn’t use -c with pamac though, since it has dependencies that pacman also needs.

[RodneyCK]

@Kresimir

For me it’s snapd first, then steam , then pamac .

Steam, yes! Priorities.

[dalto]

@anon14644943

What does -R c ns do? I only know -Rns for the complete uninstallation.

The n does the same thing in both cases, removes config files that would otherwise be saved so for simplicities sake I will exclude that from the examples.

-R removes a package and if there is a dependency problem it just stops.
-Rs removed a package and it’s dependencies, recursively. If the thing you are trying to remove is required by something else, it throws an error.
-Rc removes a package. If dependencies get in the way, it removes those as well.
-Rcs is the same as -Rc except it does so recursively.

Combining -Rc and -Rs is somewhat dangerous as it will go fully down the dependency tree and then aggressively cascade back up. I only use that when I really want to rip and tear and am willing to accept some collateral damage such as when removing an entire DE and not wanting to leave any remnants behind.

-Rc without the s is pretty much what almost every non Arch-based distro does by default when you remove a package.

@Kresimir

I wouldn’t use -c with pamac though, since it has dependencies that pacman also needs.

As long as you don’t combine it with s it shouldn’t be an issue.

[Kresimir]

@dalto

As long as you don’t combine it with s it shouldn’t be an issue.

I meant it in this context:

@Archnoob

Pamac is the first thing I do an Rcns on when I install manjaro

It seems to me pacman -Rcns pamac would remove more than desired.

[dalto]

@Kresimir

It seems to me pacman -Rcns pamac would probably remove more than desired.

In that, specific case it would likely be mostly OK.

Actually, lets see an example from one of my VMs. Here is both.

[dalto@manjaro-kde ~]$ yay -Rsc pamac-common
checking dependencies...
:: manjaro-hello optionally requires manjaro-application-utility: GUI for selecting common applications for installation or removal
:: udiskie optionally requires libappindicator-gtk3: --appindicator support

Packages (13) appstream-glib-0.7.17-1  archlinux-appstream-data-20200612-1.1  flatpak-1.7.2-1  libappindicator-gtk3-12.10.0-14  libindicator-gtk3-12.10.1-9  manjaro-application-utility-1.3.2-2  ostree-2020.3-2  pamac-cli-9.5.6-1  pamac-flatpak-plugin-9.5.6-1  pamac-gtk-9.5.6-1
              pamac-snap-plugin-9.5.6-1  pamac-tray-appindicator-9.5.6-1  pamac-common-9.5.6-1

Total Removed Size:  38.06 MiB

:: Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] n
[dalto@manjaro-kde ~]$ yay -Rs pamac-common
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing pamac-common breaks dependency 'pamac-common' required by pamac-cli

The thing it takes with it that you might not like is flatpak. If you just use -Rc it would take all the pamac stuff but leave flatpak behind.

I use -Rc 99% of the time. I also read the list of packages it is about to remove before hitting “Y”.

[anon14644943]

Thanks @dalto, @Kresimir , I made a note of it. Up to now, I always used -Rns for an intentional residue-free deinstallation, so is that enough if you don’t want to provoke any damage?

[dalto]

@anon14644943

I always used -Rns for an intentional residue-free deinstallation, so is that enough if you don’t want to provoke any damage?

It is what most people use. There is really no right or wrong answer.

[Kresimir]

In my opinion, it’s better to end up with a couple of orphaned packages on your system, which you can manually remove, than to remove more than you wanted. Though, sometimes you want to be thorough.

In any case, pactree is a great utility that lets you know exactly what depends on what.

[anon14644943]

@dalto

It is what most people use. There is really no right or wrong answer.

Thanks, I’ll have to make do with that

[anon14644943]

@Kresimir

Though, sometimes you want to be thorough.

so it is

[anon14644943]

@Kresimir

In any case, pactree is a great utility that lets you know exactly what depends on what.

Anyway, I’m learning to get along better without Pamac

Edit: after a week with Arch / EndeavorOS I would not voluntarily return to M… go!

[RodneyCK]

With this thread, and some other more recent ones on the same ‘updating’ topic, if I was a new user scanning over the various (hundreds) options on how to update, I would be like…

[Archnoob]

I actually like pamac, it just has a problem with the connection for me frequently on every distro

It will often either be really slow, or just stop completely in the middle of updates

[Hystrix]

man pacman says ‘-c’ is cascade , ‘-s’ recursive , ‘-u’ unneeded , ‘-n’ nosave

So I use -Rs default , if not works -Rsu

Also pamac is great for removing packages
I use it for batch removing

[dalto]

@Hystrix

Also pamac is great for removing packages

By default, what pamac does is equivalent to -Rc

[ricklinux]

Make sure if you are using Pamac that you set the preferences for maximum parallel downloads to 0.

[mdoverl]

@anon379864

Ex- what?

I’ve forgotten already myself