I'm limotux, Just Saying Hi! Hope I'm Welcome!

limotux · September 18, 2021, 8:17am

Well, just installing Dolphin which got Baloo with it did the job.
I just finished indexing all my files and searching for fie content with dolphin is working perfectly.

And XFCE seems OK with me. I don’t need all the fancy stuff of KDE, especially XFCE seems faster and lighter than KDE. (Though I lived on KDE -and loved- all the time and XFCE just 36 hours ago!)
I’m going to uninstall catfish and the gnome-search-tool as they are not working. Just to be sure they won’t be trying to index and putting some load on my processor or memory.

Kresimir · September 18, 2021, 8:22am

Just installing Dolphin does not mean you’re using KDE Plasma now.

This is the exact opposite of reality, at least on all computers I’ve ever in the last two years. Xfce is subjectively slower and objectively heavier than Plasma (and this has been the case at least since Plasma 5.1).

Echoa · September 18, 2021, 9:21am

Does KDE run into framerate issues like gnome/mutter on older into iGPU? I don’t pay attention to KDE mostly but I know that sometimes and with certain resolutions you can get stutter in gnome on older Intel graphics.

I’m pretty sure @limotux machine is using Ivy Bridge iGPU.

M1_ke · September 18, 2021, 9:24am

Welcome aboard

limotux · September 18, 2021, 10:18am

Thank you very much M1_ke

limotux · September 18, 2021, 10:28am

This is a surprise for me! Are you sure?! I had big issues with KDE (Manjaro), was almost freezing most of the time. Maybe my machine is not that powerful?
Here it is:

[limo@lenovo ~]$ inxi
CPU: Dual Core Intel Core i5-3210M (-MT MCP-) 
speed/min/max: 1197/1200/3100 MHz Kernel: 5.14.5-arch1-1 x86_64 Up: 12m 
Mem: 1617.8/3772.8 MiB (42.9%) Storage: 465.76 GiB (12.5% used) Procs: 181 
Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.05 
[limo@lenovo ~]$

Would it be OK for KDE?
If so, I hope someone help me with an issue I had while installing EndeavourOS, I couldn’t by any means connect to internet to install KDE.

What If I install KDE prom pamac and restart and run KDE? Would it be OK? No conflicts with XFCE?

limotux · September 18, 2021, 10:30am

Sorry I’m not that expert, but here is my machine"

[limo@lenovo ~]$ inxi
CPU: Dual Core Intel Core i5-3210M (-MT MCP-) 
speed/min/max: 1197/1200/3100 MHz Kernel: 5.14.5-arch1-1 x86_64 Up: 12m 
Mem: 1617.8/3772.8 MiB (42.9%) Storage: 465.76 GiB (12.5% used) Procs: 181 
Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.05 
[limo@lenovo ~]$

[limo@lenovo ~]$ inxi -F
System:
  Host: lenovo Kernel: 5.14.5-arch1-1 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 
  Distro: EndeavourOS 
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20157 v: Lenovo G580 
  serial: <superuser required> 
  Mobo: LENOVO model: Emerald Lake 2 v: FAB1 serial: <superuser required> 
  UEFI: LENOVO v: 62CN34WW date: 04/26/2012 
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 27.4 Wh (97.5%) condition: 28.1/42.8 Wh (65.6%) 
CPU:
  Info: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-3210M bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache: 
  L2: 3 MiB 
  Speed: 1199 MHz min/max: 1200/3100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1199 2: 1197 
  3: 1197 4: 1253 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel 
  Device-2: Acer Lenovo Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo 
  Display: x11 server: X.org 1.20.13 driver: loaded: intel 
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: <missing: xdpyinfo> 
  Message: Unable to show advanced data. Required tool glxinfo missing. 
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio 
  driver: snd_hda_intel 
  Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.14.5-arch1-1 running: yes 
  Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 15.0 running: yes 
Network:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter driver: wl 
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 08:ed:b9:97:27:0f 
  Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8162 Fast Ethernet driver: alx 
  IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: f0:de:f1:fd:53:97 
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Foxconn / Hon Hai Broadcom BCM20702 Bluetooth type: USB 
  driver: btusb 
  Report: rfkill ID: hci0 rfk-id: 3 state: down bt-service: disabled 
  rfk-block: hardware: no software: no address: see --recommends 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 58.21 GiB (12.5%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST9500325AS size: 465.76 GiB 
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 456.88 GiB used: 58.21 GiB (12.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
  ID-2: /boot/efi size: 511 MiB used: 296 KiB (0.1%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda1 
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 512 MiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) file: /swapfile 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 54.0 C mobo: 49.0 C 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:
  Processes: 178 Uptime: 22m Memory: 3.68 GiB used: 1.8 GiB (49.0%) 
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.05 
[limo@lenovo ~]$

Is it OK for KDE? Can I install now from pamac and reboot into KDE?

Kresimir · September 18, 2021, 6:32pm

No, it’s a bit more complicated than that.

limotux · September 18, 2021, 6:43pm

Well, as I am naughty as usual I got from Scotty_Trees at Install KDE on XFCE? a few links on how to do it.
It took some time to “almost” clean the mess, but it was OK.
Testing KDE now and hoping it will work fine

ricklinux · September 20, 2021, 3:19am

A fresh install of KDE is best.

limotux · September 20, 2021, 6:56am

Unfortunately yes… I tried everything… no way, so I installed off line with XFCE.
Later on I installed KDE Plasma, removed most of XFCE, then tweaked KDE, and it was fine.

As I mentioned I’m naught by nature, so I messed up the whole thing.
Reinstalled Again (offline XFCE) BUT

This time I did it BTRFS as per @QAP advice.
To my surprise it booted in less than half the time.

I’ll go allover again, install dropbox, dolphin (fore file search)… timeshift and BackInTime of course. (or I don’t need them in BTRFS? Sorry, I’m not that techie)

QAP · September 20, 2021, 8:08am

Install timeshift so you can have a nice snapshot of fresh install prior to installing all your packages again. Then go about installing dropbox etc. Just in case along the way whilst you’re installing mass amounts of packages it goes funny.

Nice guide here for timeshift Remember to exclude your home directory as you already will have Dropbox backing up your files anyway. i.e. Don’t want to restore your system to only then find out it also restored all your office docs etc as well!

limotux · September 20, 2021, 8:15am

Sure I will TimeShift.
I want to first create a thread at XFCE forum, to know how to speed up XFCE by disabling/uninstalling unnecesary features as I did a day ago with KDE Plasma (please see other thread)

I think something similar can be done in XFCE, but I’m not that experienced with XFCE.

limotux · September 20, 2021, 8:16am

Home directory will be done in BackInTime.

QAP · September 20, 2021, 8:24am

I don’t recommend using backup in your home directory. You have a Dropbox folder within home directory already doing the job syncing data real-time and will conflict in versioning. So can just keep all your documents in there. Unless you’re using BackInTime for folders outside of Dropbox.

limotux · September 20, 2021, 9:47am

Yes, it is my home folder mainly, not dropbox.

I’m even thinking of not installing dropbox and use it through web only in case needed. I want to make XFCE as speedy as possible as I did with KDE. I made a thread at XFCE forum asking how.

TurkeyJohn · September 20, 2021, 11:47am

Gobble gobble

ParanoidNemo · September 20, 2021, 1:40pm

Timeshift is actually not very good for btrfs, or at least, is good but very limited. Give a look into snapper if you would.

manyroads · September 20, 2021, 2:13pm

Unless there is something you know that we don’t , you are MOST welcome.

limotux · September 20, 2021, 3:21pm

OK… I’ll look at it. I just read briefly yesterday about it. Will find out more now.

EDIT: As I read a little about BTRFS, and a little about Snapper, both saying snapshots, roll back… etc…
Does this mean that no matter what I do (including uninstalling the DE or some ESSENTIAL system parts, there is always a snapshot so I can ALWAYS boot no matter what! ??? This sound crazy to me!