Windows 11 Thoughts!

[Dhaval]

@I0F I think you and me are on same boat.

i love linux, but there are some windows programs that i need, to do my work

I have one question, can we rum gui linux programs in WSL?

[I0F]

I tried it a bit, but had some problems because back then I had a not officially released AMD GPU with a closed source driver, so it didn’t work that well. It’s pretty hit and miss right now. At least that’s what I heard from colleagues.

Run Linux GUI apps with WSL

But this is mostly just running GUI apps in WSL. I’m more interested in working with a full DE or WM. That also somehow works, at least from my research, but still has to grow a little bit more.

[Dhaval]

at-least they are improving support for it

[I0F]

In the end it’s just incredibly funny they are slowly implementing full Linux installs into Windows. It’s so weird to have a software developer implement a free opposing product into their system. But I guess they really just want you to use Windows for data collection and having Windows as a operation system has become secondary. They just hope people will mainly use Windows because of this.

[Kresimir]

I hate everything about it, the fact that it exists I hate the most.

We already have a topic about this.

[flyingcakes]

Has Microsoft gone nuts?

Windows 11 seems to be a big-time dumpster fire. I’m not going to use Windows on my personal computer. But at work, I have to. The new requirements going to obsolete all the computers we have this is going to be a pain. I’ve to tell our top guys not to upgrade. [Microsoft just BROKE Windows 11]

Windows 11 - Leaked

I’m just sitting here looking at the burst of news stories about Windows 11’s leak ahead of the announcement on the 24th June. Reading all the feedback on the Windows 10x UI which appears to have been tacked on to it, I’m very, very glad to be running Plasma 5.22 which is an absolute joy to use. So it seems Windows 10 wasn’t the “last version of Windows” and that they’re returning to Home and Pro versions on a yearly cadence. Whatever the plans are, I’m just relieved I don’t have to deal with t…

What do you expect from Windows 11?

In the past, it was thought that every second edition of Windows would be a success. Putting the joke aside, I think it makes a macOS feel on the outside. However, it may not be a good direction not to run on older hardware.

[zoli62]

Unfortunately, I didn’t try it because the system requirements don’t allow it to run on either a physical or virtual machine. At the time, I was testing Windows 10 as an insider.

[I0F]

I hate everything about it, the fact that it exists I hate the most.

In the end it does somewhat the same as WINE. They use an open source system an let it run on Windows, so people can use Linux programs. Hating it is besides the point, because it’s all about having all tools at your disposal on the same system. Most people use their PC as a tool for a specific purpose, so the philosophy behind it is at best secondary.

[fbodymechanic]

@Kresimir

I hate everything about it, the fact that it exists I hate the most.

We already have a topic about this

As long as we have Linux. . . . Especially KDE/Cinnamon. . . I don’t really care about Windows 11.

All of my other thoughts and views can be read in the previous thread of very similar title/topic.

[fbodymechanic]

@I0F

They use an open source system an let it run on Windows, so people can use Linux programs. Hating it is besides the point, because it’s all about having all tools at your disposal on the same system

Extend. Embrace. Extinguish.

-M$ dev team

[Zircon34]

I don’t use windows on my computer, and am not really excited about that release unless they would go full open source and replace their system by gnu/linux. Which is probably not going to happen (yes I had some naive hopes).

I have two computers at work with windows, it is almost impossible to login or add another user without being logged into ms online account. I don’t know when that happened, but users don’t own a copy of windows or their pc, they become owned by ms. I really dislike this philosophy.

[I0F]

Well, you have to remember, that any program you use through WSL still has to work inside Linux. Overall this will probably be a good thing for Linux software, because WSL will increase the reach Linux software has. So how exactly does Windows extinguish Linux and its software, if exactly that is necessary for WSL in the first place?

I never had to use an MS account, though. May that be a thing for Home Editions? Because the Enterprise/Professional Edition doesn’t have any restriction like that, afaik.

[Zircon34]

@I0F

I never had to use an MS account, though. May that be a thing for Home Editions? Because the Enterprise/Professional Edition doesn’t have any restriction like that, afaik.

Could be, I would have to check. It‘s just an annoyance for me, they make it extra difficult to change the account from online to local, on purpose.

[Kresimir]

@fbodymechanic

As long as we have Linux. . . . Especially KDE/Cinnamon. . . I don’t really care about Windows 11.

You should care, for the reason you yourself have stated:

@fbodymechanic

Extend. Embrace. Extinguish.

[pebcak]

I fail to see how what Microsoft does in WSL would extinguish Linux kernel and operating systems based upon it. Please shed some (informed ) light!

[c00ter]

@fbodymechanic

Extend. Embrace. Extinguish.

That has long been Microsoft’s attitude and their actions, not only towards Linux but also every little software developer’s application or utility that MS envied. And it is not just their mantra, but their actions that prove it as truth.

That being said, I’m posting from a machine that is and has been running Win 11 Insider builds for the past six months. Their posture is that greater hardware security features implemented means greater physical security. To some degree that is true, but Windows users have always been more impacted by socially engineered malware/spyware/viruses.

And you can’t beat common sense into people that haven’t developed any.

At one time prior to my retirement I worked for a small-mid sized local government and everyone ran a Windows desktop. However, all of their servers–all of them–ran on Debian, except for the mailserv that ran SuSE. That was their security model and their servers were bombarded daily, as are most governmental agencies.

During the five years I worked there, no outside vectors ever made it past our server security. What did slow everything down to a crawl system-wide was when a construction engineer installed (unknowingly) a virus-laden “game” application to his personal laptop, then plugged it into the agency’s system and yada, yada.

Again, you can’t beat common sense into people that haven’t developed any.

Oh yeah, what I like about Windows(11)):

• It’s easier for me to setup surround-sound server audio output. We stream to this machine for all of our A/V, so that is important to me.
• We aren’t limited to 720p streaming in everything except Netflix, where we can only watch at 1080p with the help of a browser extension. MS Edge (win vers.) does not have this limitation.
• Windows basic email & calendaring is better integrated and looks* better integrated than KMail (GNOME’s Evolution is the most similar).

What I don’t like about Windows (11):

• Everything else.

However, now that Windows 11 has gone live and I’m running and have fully explored the release build, it’s time to return to Linux. Something, something Arch…

[manyroads]

I think I’ll skip using it…

[fbodymechanic]

@pebcak

I fail to see how what Microsoft does in WSL would extinguish Linux kernel and operating systems based upon it.

Stay tuned! They play the long game, maybe we’ll find out in Windows 12

[idreamtosail2]

I haven’t tried it. My gaming PC is my other machine and it runs Windows 10. I’d like to run Windows 11 on it but unfortunately my Ryzen 7 2700Xis not compatible for the update. I’m not going to spend at least 550 dollars on a new 5700X and a motherboard just to update when the performance of my current CPU is still pretty damn good.

I could try it on my Thinkpad which would qualify on a virtual machine, but I only use my Windows VM on my laptop to run INPA and nothing else so not worth the effort.

[QAP]

Did an in place upgrade from 10 to 11 on my separate Windows drive. Bypass TPM and have a very old 10 year AMD CPU. All software works as normal.

Yes there is a warning about future updates being denied. I guess I’ve only kept the windows drive as something useful but never used.

What a waste of hardware around the world putting such strict requirements when it runs perfectly fine with it. Greta would be upset.

This script bypasses TPM and downloads Windows 11 official