They enjoy different features. Jumping to an immediate “I hate it and let me point out all the ways these people are wrong. Join the circlejerk, woohoo!” is maybe not appreciated by everyone.
I don’t like Gnome, I don’t like what Apple is doing. But luckily we have choice. And if others have a windfall maybe a “Good for them.” is a sufficient response too.
My intent for this post was two things: Bring this to this community’s attention and see what @Kresimir had to say.
Yes, I added that I hate adwaita (specifically - not necessarily Gnome) in my post, but I didn’t intend to and as far as I see, have not offended anyone.
Someone earlier said, if you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say anything. The persons who may have taken offence to this could have done the same, or ignored the parts of it they didn’t like.
For whatever reason, I thought the Linux community in general had not been “infiltrated” by people who claim hate speech for any and every thing they don’t like. So alas, I’ll refrain from ever saying I don’t like something (in this case, a design language) because people take it personally even though I didn’t say I don’t like them.
Unfortunately most distros are built on “HATE” of another distro.
I understand what you are saying however don’t allow them to win either. Stand up for what you believe and don’t roll over for anyone. Lift is to short to allow others to dictate to you. You saw a post that honestly at the end of the day supports Open Source Projects and these things should be brought to users attention so thank you for the OP.
Personally I think it’s totally fine to talk about what you agree or disagree with. We all have personal preferences, that’s why different choices exist.
That said there’s a difference between “like” and “hate”. And the question becomes what’s the purpose of sharing that news? Is it to inform others or more of a “Oh, here’s an opportunity to express my disdain because it allows me to talk about my ‘hate’ for the thing”?
Because that’s what it feels like when such strong opinion is attached to the initial posting. I love community news, I love a robust exchange of ideas. I don’t like having community news framed as a “their” community vs “mine” community from the get go.
I just found this topic intriguing and wanted to add my 2 cents. I don’t know too much about Gnome as perhaps some of y’all, but I have an opinion as well.
I used Gnome for a little bit and was just fine until I discovered Plasma and fell in love at first sight. I can’t think of specific problems I had with Gnome, just wasn’t right for me but I’m sure there are others that it does work better for.
I find this funding as an opportunity to watch and encourage Gnome to improve and redeem themselves cough cough nvidia drivers cough instead of digging on other users and saying they are misinformed or incorrect. This is purely a matter of personal preference.
We are all EOS users after all, and because of that you guys already have my full respect for being smart enough to use the best OS there is to find.
“Hate” is not an opinion. Please. You can express your opinion by saying that you dont like something. That is a matter of taste. And that is just fine. Everybody has a different taste.
But “hate” is not a matter of taste. Hate is one of the strongest feelings we have as humans. And it is often associated with aggression and violence.
Form my point of view hate is a word that should never(!) be found in a computer related forum.
No. But I feel™ that language makes the difference. If there’s a “Here’s what’s new in the EndeavourOS. But hopefully they throw out their old stuff and start over. I hate their GUI installer. Arch is as good as EOS gets.” isn’t going to spark a good conversation.
No, of course not. I would probably disagree with the sentiment because OSS is notoriously underfunded and any money is good even if I personally prefer a different solution - but you essentially included that notion.
Yes. And if you don’t give 5 cents how other people perceive it you’re free to do that.
I’d say that I partly agree with the sentiment (I believe @Schlaefer expressed it a lot better) that different language can have different weight.
That said, I think you are reading into the word (you make that apparent by specifically referring to “the word”) “hate” too literally and isolate it from context.
That cannot possibly be constructive though (my opinion), because you are predisposing yourself to it: if you read it as “one of the worst feelings a human can have” then of course you will be offended by it.
For example, compare the use of “hate” in @Kresimir 's post:
Thanks, I hate it.
which is a literal meme, to the use of the word “help” (some would say a fantastic word implying betterment) in you eristic comment:
OMG. You guys need some help.
Could the conversation have been friendlier from the get-go?
Sure
Do you think maybe making an effort to understand people’s views towards a piece of software (even extreme ones, like hate) and discuss them might help toward making the conversation more “nicely worded” and “inclusive” and “welcoming” more than unquestionably insulting those that express such opinions?
Anyway. I’ll stop this conversation here so as not to completely derail the original topic.
Let me end by saying that I have no ill intent in my replies.
Just a genuine interest to try to convince as many people as possible to be open to differing ideas, and more tolerant to others expressing them.
I’m glad for them, good to see opensource getting some love. That said, I don’t foresee it helping any IMO. Currently, the Gnome devs are determined to do everything the exact opposite of how I like to work. So using Gnome for me is pure torture. I don’t see their opinion of how things should look/act changing, so it’ll continue down it’s current path. And lots of people like the way it goes. Just not me.
I do love the
Modernize secrets storage
This is something I’m completely for regardless of if I use it or not, and wish KDE team would put some effort into as well. Both of their secret/wallet applications are highly underwhelming.
Well, of course, you can ask the reader to be tolerant against strong words like this. Put yourself in the shoes of the poster and try to understand that he does not mean it in a bad way.
On the other hand, you can ask the poster to be conscious about the potential readers and that they might see a word like hate very critical.
I am tempted to put the challenge on the poster. If you convey a message in the forum you need to be aware about how this message might be understood.
EDIT: But I do not want to engage in a lengthy discussion about this topic. I wanted to make a point and I did. Thats it.
Like others have said, the fact that you are using Linux sets you apart from the majority of the population, and using Arch makes it more so. I mean this in a positive way.
That being said… I understand that as a community grows, even one that doesn’t allow society to influence their decisions as much as the majority, it should be expected that there would be an influx of people who are more similar to the majority. It’s just math. Very logical. I should’ve seen it coming.