I don’t think there is anything wrong with Proton VPN by itself. I think the point he was making is if you use proton for your email you shouldn’t also use it for your VPN. Maybe I am misunderstanding the point thought.
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Im in the process of switching to tutanota so thats good!
Cybercrime is so much more profitable these days. Way lower risk, too.
maybe this can help 
here you can find good deals:
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Yeah, but where’s FUN in that 
Call me old-school 
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That’s pretty obvious, but maybe it will help someone 
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sorry for replying to such an old post but i wanted to cover this a bit
This is a hard topic to cover as when it comes to VPNs and the internet in general you will always run into the issue of Trust. You shouldnt ever trust your VPN realistically and you need to choose a VPN based on threat model, what country theyre based in, and reputation.
There is no “best” VPN for privacy as inevitably theyre all a privacy or security risk due to limitations on trust. You just need to decide how paranoid you are and who/what youre trying to deal with.
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I like Tutanota. I’ve been using them for two years or so.
I deleted my account there a few months ago. Not that they were bad, but because I didn’t need the email service longer.
I don’t use email at all anymore. Only one way if I order something and have to have a receipt for the purchase.
I run aliases on everything and have no real email addresses on anything.
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I still haven’t decided which one to go with yet, but these are on my list.
1.ivpn
2.mullvad
4.nord vpn
I want one with a tray icon, silly i know but i like really easy lmao. 
Plus supposedly mullvad/ivpn have/keep no logs(I know the trust factor lol) 
Mullvad works very well and has a easy interface and tray icon. It’s what I’m currently using.
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You can assume that everyone saves logs. Don’t trust anyone. Personally, I don’t use a VPN anymore. The only thing it did for me was change the IP number and possibly country if I wanted to. I don’t need that. Most of it is already encrypted on the internet today.
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Totally agree I don’t trust anyone, it’s just an added layer between myself any my iso.
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I just use PIA for my VPN. They have Wireguard, which helps with speed - and support Linux quite well. If their policies are followed, then those aren’t bad either. In the meantime, it cuts down on the gratuitous ‘location-based’ ads, which helps… 
I am not sure that ANY VPN service is enough if ‘they’ want you, but it doesn’t hurt either…
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I don’t think I’ve seen advertising in over 10 years. I’ve always had some kind of adblocker for as long as I can remember.
I know you don’t support your websites you visit. But I really don’t like advertising. It’s the devil! 
This VPN thing is more unnecessary for most people. Some may need it, but ordinary people don’t need one. What is it that a VPN protects for? It’s not protecting your identity. There are too many bits that recognize your computer, mobile, and so on. It’s impossible to get away from.
The only thing I can think of is for illegal things. Like bittorrent. It’s going to be a little harder to find out who’s downloading. But it’s illegal, so no one should be doing that anyway. Not that I’m legal all the time.
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VPN has use case for normal people too. Maybe reason why its not used is that most people don’t have the technical know how to understand why they need VPN or how to set it up.
I need to use my college wifi for about 6hours a day. Its open wifi, and in a place full of engineering students, I don’t trust that nobody is running a packet sniffer application. This fear should hold true for all the staff there too. Security at public networks is one use case that holds for most of us.
I’m not using a VPN as of now, but will have to get it when physical classes become regular.
I also remember using free VPN services to access Spotify back in the days when it was not available in my country.
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Yes, it’s good sometimes. But not what they advertise for. Almost all VPNs say you become invisible. That’s not true! Can be good if you have an ISP that sells your data as well. So, there are areas where VPNs are good too.
However, I would ask the ISP to go to hell and change the ISP. I know that this is not possible in some countries and regions. But when an ISP goes that far, it’s nothing to have.
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Agree with this 
There is a disconnect between what VPN are advertised for and what they actually do.
As for ISP, I don’t really trust anyone. I mean I don’t know how an ISP can be called “trustworthy”.
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I would consider this one too:
just curious, Iceland seems to have strict privacy laws, but I’m not able to find any VPN provider based in Iceland.
are you aware of a VPN provider based in Iceland?
ctemplar.com is a privacy email provider based there, but I’ve found no VPN.
I actually think a VPN is a generally useful thing for any who cares about privacy and it technically sophisticated enough to understand how to use it. Obviously, that doesn’t describe “most people” but there are probably quite a few people like that on this forum.
The important thing to understand about protection of privacy is that there is no silver bullet. Protecting your privacy takes combining many strategies and changing your behavior. A VPN is not an absolute shield for your privacy. However, anonymizing your IP using a VPN or some other means is an essential part of protecting your privacy/identity. Not doing this because it doesn’t provide absolute protection is just as much a fallacy as believing it does provide that protection.
That being said, I understand that not everyone cares about privacy and that is OK.
VPNs have other uses as well beyond privacy
- A VPN can also protect your security. Especially if you use an open, public or shared network.
- A VPN can hide your location, which is sometimes needed to bypass geoblocks.
- A VPN can bypass governmental or institutional restrictions in places that restrict access to certain resources.
- A VPN can protect you against many forms of traffic shaping your ISP might be doing.
Generally speaking, a VPN makes it much harder for anyone except your VPN provider to inspect your traffic. Anytime that is useful, a VPN is useful.
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