Using KDE nowadays feels like death by 1000 cuts

I’ve never said that these bugs do not exist.

However, if they do exist, that does not make you entitled to any bug fixes. You are only entitled to a refund, which is zero.

Your whole point is: “KDE developers should fix bugs that affect me, before adding new features.” My only complaint with that is: “Why should they, though? If they are volunteers, nobody has any right to tell them what to do”.

This is very much unlike drone bombing, where innocent people are most certainly entitled not to have their house bombed (not to be aggressed against is the most fundamental right everyone has). So that’s an issue I care about, unlike bugs in Free software that do not affect me (or are you going to make an argument that the existence of bugs in Free software is somehow an act of aggression against you?).

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The problem is that most laptops and screens one may have already do not have the same resolution and most newer laptop models come with 4k screen. Unless someone buys them at the same time and targets similar resolution. I switch screens often between work and home and they have scaling issues.

I rather have my software dealing with it rather than having to change my hardware. But unfortunately that is a kde deal breaker for me.

Your setup avoids these issues, lucky you. I wish I had planned better.

Perhaps a better discussion would be about bug priority and severity and whether they have or publish a sensible workflow to systematically deal and categorize these in order of priority. They probably do, I don’t know…

Yeah, that is unfortunate. Just like not having xeyes is a Wayland deal breaker for me. I hope one day, there will be a solution for both of our issues, but until then, we have three options: use something else, tolerate it, or contribute to the project to have it fixed.

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I wish my coding skills would be sufficient. I assume the best I could do is to try kde Wayland and file bug reports if I want to use kde and help improving but that would need a separate rig.

You have three options regarding that: learn to code, hire someone who knows how to code, or tolerate the present situation.

You could also pay a developer to fix the bugs that are bothering you. Their email addresses are known, contact one, ask him: how much would it cost to have this specific issue fixed in the next release? Then you can decide whether it is worth that much to you or not.

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Hey, fighting cocks! I repeat my question: What consequence should we draw from this now? Should we as users now quickly abandon the imperfect KDE ship and turn to supposedly “more perfect” DEs, just because someone thinks that the KDE developers have their priorities wrong? That’s kindergarten level. Nothing is perfect, we benefit from the voluntary work of these developers. Personally, these 10.000 bugs don’t even begin to bother me enough to change DEs, possibly to consider one that patronizes me in almost everything …

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As end users, we can use whatever we want: if you like KDE, use KDE, if you like something else better, use that. You or me using or not using some Free software has no impact on anyone else. Most volunteer developers do not particularly care who uses their software – if you do use it, that’s great, but if you don’t, nobody is any worse for it.

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Well we responded to that. Yes or file a bug report or learn to code and fix it yourself. Or new alternative proposed by @Kresimir that I try bribing one if the kde developer since their emails are public :rofl:

But seriously, how much would that cost. It boils down to time to fix Wayland could be a year of salary.

or…WHIP THEM HARDER!!! :joy:

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Hey, it works for Inkscape. When one of the devs set up Patreon and public PayPal, a bunch of us users chipped in with a few bucks, and got shiny new features and bug fixes.

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Perhaps a crowdfunding initiative if users grouping behind a major bug that they want to be fixed. If kde buys into that I will give my $$$

If one dev can do it within a year 50k should be sufficient. 1000 users giving 50 bucks. That works for me. I would support.

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I have read the entire thread, just responding to the initial premise, because quite frankly I don’t want to get sucked into the argument. I used to use KDE a long time ago. Probably 2014-2015, and I loved it. It did keep getting better, and with every release it got more polished. Everything worked, the graphical glitches were minimal, most of the software I used was reliable and worked well. Even multi-monitor was working pretty damn well (note: my issues with it is mostly docking and undocking related then and now…now is worse). Then 5.9 was released and it all crumbled away. I check back with every release, but everytime there are simply unacceptable issues, issues that have not dropped off my list in the last six years. It is one of the main reasons I am on Gnome and will continue to be on Gnome. KDE looks great, mostly. It works, mostly, however too many basic items are just damn broken.

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If you use gnome you will :laughing:

I wish they would port knowledge gained about Wayland from gtk to qt and implement in kde to make fractional scaling monitor issues etc work. But probably not that straightforward.

You are correct using the default desktop environment of every Enterprise distribution is somehow offensive enough to cause commentary by many Kde fans.

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The default desktop of almost every Enterprise is Windows. Being used by Enterprise doesn’t automatically make it a good choice for every user.

I find the bugs and regressions in rolling KDE frustrating. With GNOME, I find the whole desktop frustrating. I’ve decided I can put up with the occasional minor frustration.

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Evolving to yet another KDE this Gnome that thread?

To be merged with …

:crazy_face:

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On all the open source projects I contribute to, that is more or less exactly what happens.

People contribute to the parts of the project that they find personally interesting or they add features they want for their own use. I would say that open source volunteers who are just “trying to support the project broadly” are the exception rather than the norm.

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Happens every time anyone mentions Gnome, on any thread.

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How DARE they?!
Selfish creatures… :sob:

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