The UK parliament passed bill to outlaw encryption

I’d agree with that

but, specifically all the services you’ve mentioned social networks, clouds and public messengers (meaning those that have channels or are runned by Big tech) - has proven backdoors so none of them use actual End-2-End encryption (except maybe Telegram in secret chats, but nobody should read encrypted user to user chats, it’s just a fact of life for Big tech)

I hope that before we have no more privacy left, that they at least pass a law to allow anyone to choose for euthanasia, that way you can still have control over your own life and allow you to end it in dignified way and on your terms if you wish to do so.

You should go to :canada: they actually have that law now! :smiley:

I disagree. And this is actually the point of discussion. From my point of view there should not be a 100% safe space for criminals to communicated and share content in encrypted group chats or encrypted file sharing platforms etc.

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Most average people don’t see a cloud service as someone else computers just as another place to make backups to.

No, you’ve missed my point.
What you’re saying is already de-facto standard, it’s not even arguable.

What i’m saying actual end-2-end encryption:
Let’s say chat between me and you on Signal - should not be scanned by anyone under any circumstances.

Do you also include that in your reasoning?

Point-to-point communication is not the main target of law enforcement. Group chats and file sharing services with multiple participants are the main target. If law enforcement is then able to identify criminal individuals in these groups they will target their mobile devices directly. This is how it typically works.

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So according to you no one deserves a safe space? I can’t wait until the governments passes a law that requires cameras in all of our homes and passes toilet safety laws.

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WRONG. :frog:

You too can say no to clown storage.

Everyone that I come across that is not in IT uses cloud storage as back and maybe they have an old usb storage device that hasn’t been updated in a few years. I don’t use cloud storage, I use Nextcloud. So anyone that is less IT aware for the most part all use cloud storage as backup, I know you don’t use cloud storage so yeah if you mean it that way it’s not everyone. I think you get the point.

Fair enough, they practically want to legalize what they’re already de-facto illegally doing now is what you’re saying.

Although i’d have to disagree here, and that’s the only reason i’ve launched discussion in the first place, because it’s not specified in the actual law, that’s why Clause 122 is intentionally vague - they can do whatever they want by the letter, as of now.

You’re using the word “everyone” too loosely.

In a way, these draconian laws against privacy might be viewed as a good thing from a certain perspective. It may just encourage normies to join the scary dark web. It’s like digital accelerationism… :rofl: Things have to get really bad before a “normal” person acts.

I could have defined what I meant with everyone better. What I meant with everyone is anyone that is less IT aware than Linux people and people that work in the IT.

I do not know how to answer that. My home is my castle and still law enforcement can spy in my home or open my paper mail if they have a judgement order. So even my home is not a 100 % save space.

You can have a save space in the internet if, for example, you use PGP encryption for all your files in the cloud. Or if you use cryptomator before you upload them. That is reasonably save.

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If the law required it would you put a camera in every room of your house, even the bathroom and the toilet?

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This is an inadmissible comparison. The internet is not to be compared with your home.

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But maybe with toilet, internet became something very similar overall… :rofl:

If they end up taking all of our internet privacy they will then start on the other bits of privacy that we have left.

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Given that it’s becoming borderline impossible to live without using the internet, and that an increasingly ridiculous number of objects in the house are connected to the internet anyway, the distinction between “your house” and “the internet” approaches 0 fast.

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Well, yes. The process is already on the way. The young generations are conditioned to not consider privacy at all important. There are CCTV cameras in all public spaces, almost everyone has a camera on their person at all times, people are using credit cards for pretty much any purchase… All official IDs are issued only under the condition of collecting biometric data.

Kids use their Tic-Tac-Tock application knowing very well that it is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, the most corrupt and evil organisation in existence (after Goolag).

Stalin could only dream about such surveillance apparatus.

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