The UK parliament passed bill to outlaw encryption

It will shortly receive Royal Assent and become law (The Online Safety Act 2023).

Convention provides that Royal Assent will not be refused for a bill that has been negotiated successfully through Parliament.

Surely, if there won’t be tremendous backlash convention will prevail, but conventions can break under pressure.

Sure… but it’s an online safety bill. They gave up on the end to end encryption battle because there isn’t a way of doing it without rendering it useless. I understand that. But i agree with what they are thinking if it could be done. But it’s a moot point because for now it doesn’t change anything.

Edit: I believe they just want better safety controls built around how it is used and for that I have no issue. We are doing the same in our country and I support it! :wink:

yea this is a good abstract of the underlaying questions about this.

I don’t see they gave up on it, but if they are - can you please quote place of that law where it would give you such impression?

This was actually a deciding factor to go with the 5950x instead of a 6000+ cpu when building my computer I just finished.

OMG… will you just get over it! It’s not the end of the world. It’s just a law to implement better safety protocols. Sure it’s controversial only because there is no way currently to do it without breaking end to end encryption. So they left that out. But they still are asking for co-operation in trying to come up with ways to implement something that will satisfy the concerns. And again i have no issue with that.

You’re making me so proud!

Actually, there’s no way to do it without breaking end to end encryption.

Currently has nothing to do with it. It can’t have end to end encryption AND be viewed, eaves dropped on, scanned, back door’d whatever.

It can be one or the other, It can never ever be both. It’s impossible.

Well good, i expected something like that from you - then don’t spread baseless :ox: :poop: please, it doesn’t suit moderator role, thank you.

  1. It is PHYSICALLY impossible to do mass surveillance based on content moderation without breaking end-to-end encryption.
    2+2=4 always, can’t you understand that simple thing?

  2. They haven’t left out anything.

Nothing is impossible. Right now yes but in the future maybe not. Well see! :thinking:

No, it’s impossible. It can not be both. Ever. Not today, not tomorrow, not in a thousand million years. It cannot be both.

What ever! :sunglasses:

You say whatever. You are clearly just trolling at this point. A 9 year old would understand at this point with how many different ways people have shown you. You’re arguing to argue, or you really are the most inept human to ever walk upright. And I truly don’t believe you’re that inept.

I’m not arguing anything I’m just standing my ground on what i think and i don’t really care what you say it’s not going to change my view.

On a somewhat related note, do you know that any “personal” messages you
send on this forum (or any Discourse forum) are not private, and can be read by admins?

Stephen Leader

Sep '22

Your admins need the ability to look at all activity across your site. If you don’t trust your admins to use this capability ethically, then you have an issue with who is administering your community, not a feature of the community software.

Don’t forget that admins can also read personal messages directly from the database.

Your users should have no expectation of privacy in personal messages…

…Again there’s zero expectation of privacy, and again it’s an expectation that the site operators have access to this data.

https://meta.discourse.org/t/disable-dm-visibility-from-admins/239184

Discuss…

No, you’re clearly deliberately derailing this thread (outside of stating your opinion) at that point, multiple times.

Stop it.
In case you have nothing to say on direct question - don’t.

Then you’re just disagreeing the same way a child does in the face of being backed into a corner and you’ve dug your heels in. Just disagreeing because you’re in too deep to back out. You can’t disagree with fact, it is what it is, you can’t have an opinion on it.

You can not by definition have end-to-end encryption with a backdoor. You can call it anything else you want. Call it rick’s-mostly-encrypted-messaging. But not in any amount of time, programming, timewarp, universe, the next 10 big bangs, etc, can end-to-end encryption have a way to scan it before, during or after and still be “encrypted.” It is impossible.

This leads no where.
So back on topic… same same for both sides simply ignore the other side and do not feed the roll of the same thing over and over.

At this point, may as well just close the thread. Rick keeps trying to have a differing opinion from a fact, and derailing the thread that is actually a very important thing to discuss and inform people of.

Unless he would like to stay out, there’s no way for everyone else to continue having a good coversation to the importance of this topic.