Steam just recommended manjaro as an os for windows dev to use to develop for the steam deck, i assume its cause manjaro has gui instead of terminal.
Part 2 is up now. I can tell that Linus clearly didnât follow my guide to streaming on the EndeavourOS forum.
I completely disagree on this, some things should get a GUI sure but everything absolutely not. Id much rather leave certain things to config files and terminal than a GUI.
GUIs abstract things in a way that makes it so that people who dont understand what theyre doing can easily break things not to mention increases the attack surface for a system. I also find that terminal commands are frequently faster than the mouse counterparts, for example formatting a drive or creating a directory.
Making things simple to the point people dont even want to know what theyre doing is a plague on computing.
Im 100% certain he didnt really follow any guides and cant be bothered to more than skim instructions for anything.
He didnt even bother to read ANYTHING about Manjaro before he installed it and was complaining about apt-get not working.
Mental outlaw is great. Love his content.
Letâs take pulse audio for example. I hated configuring that thing with the default.pa /.config files. With pavucontrol it was just so simple when you see what device youâre actually trying to affect.
Another great example is Virt-Manager, which has the integrated text based (.xml) tool. Super handy for configuring everything.
That doesnt mean absolutely everything should, I dont disagree on virt-manager being handy but that doesnt through proxy mean all things should be GUI based.
Thats like saying âI like swords, so I should use a sword at all times for anything that would need cutting in any wayââŚno, you shouldnt, and the same goes for GUIs.
Letâs use more examples, linux related. Adding users and groups and changing their permissions is much easier with a GUI tool.
No need to memorize commands.
So yea, I like my sword. Swords are cool.
The main problem with a GUI is that they generally do not reveal what they are actually doing. For the common user this is fine, but for someone who knows what they are doing the layer of obfuscation can easily become frustrating. Particularly when troubleshooting and trying to figure out what said common user did to their system.
The GUI vs terminal debate rising up⌠Yeah I like terminal and rather attend even my virtual meets via a terminal command if possible. But broken GUI is a major reason why I havenât had much success converting people to Linux.
The state of GUI is much better these days, but we sure know its not as reliable as youâd want it to be.
My friends who are into art, or finance, or history or practically any non tech field have exactly zero interest whatsoever, in knowing how the internals of a system work. They have no interest in knowing what is pulseaudio/pipewire, x11/wayland etc etc. They want to get their work done. Thats all. And its much easier when thereâs a bright blue button on the screen with a descriptive label, as compared to a scenario where thereâs a blank screen with shell prompt.
Somehow, many linux distro users feel its to be a âstandard requirementâ to know the âwhatâ and âhowâ of a computer system - which frankly speaking totally puts off people.
And having a GUI certainly doesnât mean everyone should use it. No matter how many pacman GUIs pop up, youâll find me doing sudo pacman -Syu
(or yay
). And no matter how many terminal based music player pop up, youâll still find me using a GUI music player. (even if its using MPD in the background! )
I donât know if you wrote this funny or seriously? Would Linus be so comfortable? By the way, my opinion, which I have described several times, is. that EndeavourOS is currently unavoidable but still not getting enough publicity.
Its a standard requirement if youâre going beyond just basic usage absolutely. You donât have to know about the kernel, Wayland, pipewire,etc. To use a browser or image editor and never suggested that you should.
If its something that has any potentially to be dangerous to your system or to open up serious security holes Iâm of the opinion that making it so the user doesnât understand whatâs happening is an absolute disservice. Making everything GUI based lowers the barrier for entry on things that should have a higher one.
One of the things that shaped this view is When I used to do computer repair I would have repeat offenders returning time and again with virus Infections and other issues because it was easy relatively easy for them to disable a lot of windows security measures. They just had to click a few buttons to disable any anti virus, defender,etc. because âit was annoying it kept having these notificationsâ literally telling them to stop doing the things theyâre doing to cause these issues and that it was attempting to protect them. They had no idea what theyâre doing but because it was easy to do they could cause problems.
That may be so in the arch community, but not Ubuntu, many many beginners and only want gui stuff. On the flip side, terminal is one of the core strengths of Linux, why not embrace it rather than seeing it as the boogie man?
I get it that some people donât care, but many of these users are perhaps better off on windows or Mac OS. They also donât care about freedom or open source.
It is what it is
Thing is, Linux isnât hard to use for regular folks who donât NEED to know things already. The only caveat to that is trying to run unsupported software/hardware which tbh isnât the majority for hardware. Software, well it depends.
My 80yr old grandfather uses Fedora daily and doesnât even own a Windows or Mac system anymore. He has no problems, and if he needs software for something can look on the Software center.
9 times out 10, Linux just works. Its when youâre expecting it to be windows youâll hit roadblocks.
I see the point there. Understandable
Finally watched both episodes. He didnât even bother to read elementary things about distro he was choosing. Using Arch based distro and trying apt install. Complaining about it not giving error. If someone chooses to use terminal instead of gui, he should already be familiar, if nothing, than with what package manager distro comes. Few moments later, installs another app with Pamac. Which he should be using from the beginning.
Bug with apt in first episode is unfortunate for pop os.
Summary, I somehow expected more, but as it turns, it looks like more to gather some views without any will to learn something and actually try to use it for longer period.
On another forum, a wise user wrote:
My response, which Iâll share here:
I like the way Luke has been going along the challenge more. Heâs just being himself while Linus is trying to portray a non-techie new user. I feel like heâs been doing except some failures here and there like not trying to do any reading about anything. I feel like most people might do a few Internet searches about Manjaro and other distros before jumping in. I did that myself and decided Zorin would be the best to make the move from Windows in 2015.
On a side-note my guide to streaming has been getting traction since theyâve talked about it. My reddit post on the twitch subreddit got a new award and etc even though it is now archived. Glad itâs useful!
Linus fails to emulate his target persona, by being 100% overbooked in all his activities. A regular, âIâm bored at home, letâs give Linux a tryâ person will have much more time on their hands to get this Linux thing working. By reading the comments on his videos I believe a big chunk of his audience to be heavily made of gaming teenagers.
Also I agree 100% with @nohbody with the statements below which totally apply to Linus:
The problem is he is a trendsetter and influencer, so he basically has inoculated his audience with the same mindset. He did a pretty big disservice to the Linux community by not having prepared enough for the topic he covered. What I donât understand is how Anthony can just sit there and not evangelize Linus to defend his love. He should be at least able to explain to him the basic philosophy of Linux, just so he sets his expectations right.
Other people just donât comment
I think it is pointless to comment on videos from popular channels, no one will see the comment (at least if it is posted not in the first minutes), usually there are only some memes/jokes at the top.
Itâs still positive overall for increasing awareness.
There are some posts on reddit about trying Linux after these videos.
Also the 3rd part (non-gaming) will be more positive.