I was talking about the Gnome top panel, which is seriously useless.
In this system below, the Tint2 panel is quite useful, but is auto-hidden as usual. Even the Cairo dock is auto-hidden, but it comes out, when there’s nothing around. The searchable Jgmenu is brought out in many ways, whatever that’s easy at the moment – under the cursor, left bottom corner, right click on the screen (no desktop, for it is Openbox, actually an ArchBox). Most efficient system, I have.
i know 
your system your rule 
what you find "useful " i not . it work both way we all different + that beauty of linux ! we make it work/look how we want . 
I have to agree, the gnome panel is pointless, it is the chocolate fireguard of software. I use cairo-dock as well.
Actually I had figured it out. The shell wasn’t the problem, apparently the terminal was. It has its own dark mode something something.
I’m trying to decide if I just leave gnome as EOS, or go back to Fedora on it. I would like this to be long term. I just understand pacman 100x better than dnf. Which arguably I won’t get better on without using it, but it’s also nice to know what I’m doing.
GhostBSD.
A last look at KDE before I will probably go back to Xfce. Let’s see …
Nice! That’s my favourite Floyd album too!
You can leave as many times as you want. . . You’ll be back, they always come back. hahahaha
I think you might be right about that. I might even come back before I leave it … it’s a love-hate relationship …
What is there to hate? I always leave because there’s something I think I can’t do, and then I either come back and it can now be done, or I just didn’t know how to do it initially.
If I could get tiling windows in Cinnamon, I’d go back to Cinnamon immediately though. It’s my first true Linux love.
And if GNOME figures out extensions with GNOME 40. . . I really really like the gestures with the trackpad. I hate extensions - like why do I need an extension for hibernate? How is that not a built in option?
What bothers me most about KDE is that it cauterizes so quickly. With every major update, bugs can come back that don’t have to be there. It is simply too complex. And there is the uncertainty about the licensing problems of Qt. But, if I am then again on another DE, no matter which one, I miss then so much …
Well, if QT6 requires a bunch of money for a license. . . . I guess it’ll get more stable around here since we’ll all probably just stay on QT5 for years until they give up and finally cave.
And everything has bugs on upgrade. Going from GNOME 3.38 to 40 required you to set your entire console on fire and throw it away. Then purchase a new computer to reinstall on. And XFCE scaling has been backwards for a while now.
Theres always Mate or Cinnamon. 
I’m looking to get a 4K monitor this year, and when it comes to scaling, the point definitely goes to KDE 
I remember 1998 like it was only 20 years ago. Such good times.
Also, I like all DEs, before this turns into a DE war. I’m just kidding.
Zentile?
Or perhaps i3 in Cinnamon shell 
I’ve not tried Zentile on it, but i3 doesn’t work.
Cinnamon as far as I know is EMWH compliant to some extent, because:
So zentile should work. i3 probably won’t work you’re right
I like one without a DE…
I also like most of the DEs, especially those I can fiddle with…