Ready or not here is Linux?

https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

Long Long text ahead :wink:

But some talk about would be fun to have:

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Monitors/display suppport (also check the X system section below):

!! 30bit displays are unusable under Linux. Firefox is very slow, Google Chrome is broken, KDE doesn’t work, Steam crashes, etc. etc. etc.
!! High-refresh rate monitors are not properly supported as Firefox and Chrome sometimes default to 60Hz. At least Firefox has a workaround: you can set the desired refresh rate in about:config using layout.frame_rate.
!! HDR is not supported.

Yeah…that’s real bummer.

X system (current primary video output server in Linux):

! Keyboard shortcut handling for people using local keyboard layouts is broken (this bug is now 15 years old).

And certainly that.

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Penguins in space are save :wink:

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This article has been written in 2016. Not sure if even the author had the patience to go over everything he wrote back then and update it for the current year, looks like he told himself: Linux is still a mess today, so I guess the article still holds, I’ll slap a 2022 in the title and call it a day. He might have gone over some, but some things are just so vague and generic, that we are talking philosophy here, others are simply not valid anymore in today’s Linux ecosystem. The last five to four years have been really good for Linux, maybe because of the major game platforms pushing for increased support. An example: Nvidia (including optimus) is not such a big pain as it used to be, the (proprietary) driver is much improved over what was the case 3 years ago, it also has Optimus support, yet the article still bashes the current state.

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I think it’s mostly unfair and petty criticism. If you want real reasons why Linux sucks, look up a dozen or so talks by Lunduke titled “Linux sucks”. He does one every year and, super annoyingly, he is rarely wrong about what he says there.

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This article is bollocks! Linux works for me/for my grandpa/for my aunt/etc.

Hey, I love when people are saying this, however here’s a list of Linux problems which affect pretty much every Linux user.

Okay, I’ll bite and go through each point…

Neither Mozilla Firefox nor Google Chrome use video decoding and output acceleration in Linux (which is a hell to set up in many cases), thus youtube clips will drain your laptop battery a lot faster than e.g. in Windows.

Imagine using YouTube to watch YouTube videos in the current year! :rofl:

I use yt-dlp and mpv, btw.

NVIDIA Optimus technology is a pain to use under most Linux distors and it does not work under secure UEFI mode at all for absolute most people out there.

Yeah, that’s true. Don’t buy an Optimus laptop. There are better laptops that are more affordable.

Keyboard shortcut handling for people using local keyboard layouts is broken (this bug is now 16 years old). Not everyone lives in English-speaking countries. This doesn’t affect Wayland but Wayland has its own share of critical issues.

I am using a custom keyboard layout and I have no issues with it. You can easily make your own keyboard layouts, and most programs let you adjust shortcuts.

Keyboard handling in X.org is broken by design - when you have a pop-up or an open menu, global keyboard shortcuts/keybindings don’t (GTK) work (QT). This doesn’t affect Wayland but Wayland has its own share of critical issues.

I’m fine with that, haven’t even noticed it until now.

There’s no easy way to use software which is not offered by your distro repositories, especially the software which is available only as sources. For the average Joe, who’s not an IT specialist, there’s no way at all.

LOL, just use Arch, btw. Ever heard of the AUR?

You don’t play games, do you? Linux still has very few native AAA games: for the past three years less than a dozen of AAA titles have been made available. Most Linux games on Steam are Indies. To be fair you can now run thousands of Windows games through DirectX to Vulkan/OpenGL translation (Wine, Proton, Steam for Linux) but this incurs translation costs and decreases performance sometimes significantly. Also games may crash and behave differently than in Windows. Also, anti-cheat protection usually doesn’t work in Linux.

This might have been an issue a couple of years ago, but in the last 2 or 3 years, I have not encountered a single game that just didn’t work on Linux, no matter what. I don’t play games that much, but when I do, Linux suits me just fine. On Linux sometimes performance is better than on windoze, sometimes it’s worse. Depends on the specific game, and the specific hardware.

I don’t care for Anti-Cheat and I’m quite happy we don’t have rootkit DRM on Linux.

Microsoft Office is not available for Linux. LibreOffice often has major troubles properly opening, rendering or saving documents created in Microsoft Office (alas, it’s a standard in the business world). Besides, LibreOffice has a drastically different user interface and many features work differently. Also native Windows fonts are not available in Linux which often leads to formatting issues.

I see this as a feature, not a bug. I don’t need any of that crap, not on my Linux!

Several crucial Windows applications are not available under Linux: Quicken, Adobe authoring products (Photoshop, Audition, etc.), Corel authoring products (CorelDraw and others), Autodesk software (3ds Max, Autocad, etc.), serious BluRay/DVD authoring products, professional audio applications (CuBase, SoundForge, etc.).

I don’t even know what Quicken is, LOL :rofl: GIMP is better than Photoshop, and there is also Krita. Inkscape is better than that Corel Draw. There is Blender for 3D work and video editing. For desktop publishing, nothing beats LATEX. OpenSCAD is fantastic for CAD stuff. For audio stuff, see: https://linuxmusicians.com/

In 2021 there’s still no alternative to Windows Network File Sharing (network file sharing that is easily configurable, discoverable, encrypted and password protected). NFS and SSHFS are two lousy totally user-unfriendly alternatives.

SSHFS works perfectly fine, just RTFM, noob. :wink:

Linux doesn’t have a reliably working hassle-free fast native (directly mountable via the kernel; FUSE doesn’t cut it) MTP implementation. In order to work with your MTP devices, like … Linux based Android phones you’d better use … Windows or MacOS X. Update: a Russian programmer was so irked by libMTP he wrote his own complete Qt based application which talks to the Linux kernel directly using libusb. Meet Android-File-Transfer-Linux.

Well, if you use a Linux phone, there’s no issue. :grin:

Too many things in Linux require manual configuration using text files: NVIDIA Optimus switchable graphics, custom display refresh rates, multiseat setups, USB 3G/LTE/4G modems, various daemons’ configuration, and advanced audio setups to name a few.

There are hundreds of excellent text editors on Linux. If there is one thing not missing on Linux, it’s text editors. So editing a text config file is the easiest thing in the world. Just fire up your vim or emacs and go to town. Much easier than looking for settings through hundreds of tabs and wizards. That’s my biggest issue with KDE, btw…

Linux is secure UEFI boot mode unfriendly if you’re going to use any out of mainline tree drivers, e.g. NVIDIA, VirtualBox, VMWare, proprietary RAID, new Wi-Fi adapters, etc. etc. etc. This is a really bad situation which no Linux distro wants to address.

I don’t see it as a “really bad situation”. At worst, it’s an occasional minor annoyance. Don’t use Nvidya cards, and you’ll be fine 99% of time.

A personal nitpick which might be very relevant nowadays: under XFCE/Gnome/KDE there’s no way to monitor your BlueTooth devices battery level on screen at all times (e.g. using a systray applet). There are scripts like this but they are inaccessible for most people out there as they require console kung-fu and they may stop working at any time. A blueman feature request was filed in December 2018 - meanwhile the feature has been available under Windows and Android for quite some time already.

Ever heard of the watch command? How about Conky? This guy is not even trying… And there’s probably some KDE widget for that, too. Also, using Bluetooth in the current year…

Yeah, let’s consider Linux an OS ready for the desktop :-).

Yeah, it’s all very petty and uninformed. Anyway, Linux works for me, this article is bollocks.

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This is true for some layouts, and also causes horrible bug when ctrl+c / ctrl+v is working not 100% of times…long story, very old bug.

For me, Ctrl+C never fails to send an interrupt signal in the terminal. :rofl:
In any case, you can fine tune your keyboard layout so that all combinations work.

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hello ? :rofl:

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You’re not quoting me, but the guy who wrote that article.

I think that some of your points are a bit biased, although I agree that in general the author is being too dramatic. So here’s some counter-counter-arguments :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Most people do, because it’s simply more convenient then having to wait for a clip to download (especially on a slow internet connection) and then playing it locally.

But the average user does want documents their coworkers or whatever sends them to open fine; they don’t want to debug their office suite. Of course, the author’s point here is also kind of dumb considering how easy it is to install MS fonts on most distributions (and I don’t think they understand licensing here, maybe?)

You might not know what Quicken is, but some user does want to use it (although again, not an issue with linux). As for GIMP and Inkscape, for open-source projects they’re remarkable and with a bit of learning can do most of what the other mentioned software can do. However, if you use these in a serious capacity (as I do), then compare them to photoshop and illustrator (never tried corel draw), they just don’t compare. The adobe software is just superior in many ways. I don’t like to admit it, but I’ve realized that it is true, despite what people say; the difference between a photo editor maintained by two people and one maintained by a huge corporation with thousands of employees is pretty much night and day. Again this isn’t anything the Linux community can really fix, blame big companies.

Do you use a Linux phone? Whether you do or not, most people use a lot of applications that aren’t available for a linux phone, which is also very, very beta tech; Purism’s Librem is extremely overpriced and you don’t know if the Pinephone will die out from lack of funding. People also don’t want to shell out a couple hundred bucks after switching to a free operating system…

I agree with all your other points. In fact, for an experienced user, all of your counter-arguments are fine, but this article is meant for widespread adoption of Linux as a desktop OS to use by the average Joe, I believe.

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yes true. fixed it :wink:

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“simply more convenient” is not an argument. I can just as easily declare that it is more convenient to download a video in its entirety than having interrupted playback due to buffering.

If using windoze is required to work in your company, your company should provide you with a windoze PC. Most companies do that, the one I work for, included. If they do not, it’s not worth working in such a company.

Some users want to use windoze, as well. There is no salvation for some of those people.

You are completely wrong on that, but no point in arguing about it. Illustrator is significantly inferior to both CorelDraw and Inkscape, while Photoshop is comparable in features to GIMP. The workflow is completely different in GIMP, and image editing in GIMP is typically destructive, while Photoshop has non-destructive workflow. There are advantages and disadvantages to both of these, and it’s difficult to say which one is superior. However, GIMP has more features than Photoshop. Where GIMP lacks is in digital painting, but in that area, Krita is far superior to Photoshop.

No, but that’s next on the list. I don’t use a smartphone at present.

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Ok, sure, but most users find it simply more convenient. If you find your method superior than use that, and let others use what they want to use.

Agree.

Some people have to use Windows, or whatever Quicken is. Some people want to use it because things they need work better on it, or they are used to it, and that’s honestly okay.

I agree that for digital painting Krita is superior; everywhere else, you imo are completely wrong and biased, but you’re right, not even worth arguing about it :man_shrugging:

My goal wasn’t to disprove your points, just to say that you should let users use what they want instead of dismissing anything that isn’t available as inferior to whatever method you use. Wasn’t trying to start an argument, sorry!

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You don’t know either, yet you claim that some people have to use it. No they don’t! Nobody needs that rubbish :rofl:

If some person, whom I do not even know, wants to use Quicken on windoze, who am I to say: no, you can’t do that! After all, it is not I who will suffer any consequences of that, so why should I care? And even if I did care, well, I am not (yet) an all powerful God Emperor of the Universe, so I can’t prevent anyone from using any software. But even if I could, I wouldn’t. Free will is a universally good thing, even if it means some people make bad decisions.

My point was that very few of the points in the article in the OP are any valid criticisms of Linux.

I am not biased in favour of Linux. I actually really dislike Linux, it think it is a really crappy OS, especially the kernel, which is just awful. I actually think windoze has a better kernel, (or I should say: it would be better if you could remove all the intentionally malicious things in it). But it is undeniable that, at least on desktop, Linux is the only usable operating system that is not intentionally defective and malicious towards the user. Therefore, it’s the best operating system that exists for the desktop. All even remotely viable alternatives are proprietary and are built with the desire to screw the user over.

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I agree wholeheartedly, thanks for clearing up your intentions.

Yeah, but some people may have to use it for work; in that case their livelihood depends on it. Although since it seems to be a personal financing tool, probably not :wink:

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Lol, I assume this is an age thing. Quicken is tax prep software for U.S. income tax. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if their userbase is almost entirely in the 45+ demographic. I know some people have used it for decades and can’t think of using anything else, but I doubt many of them are switching to linux.

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Indeed. The article in the OP which mentions the fact that this specific, obscure application does not work on Linux as one of the reasons why Linux is not desktop ready is one of the best examples of pettiness and irrelevancy I’ve ever encountered.

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Not so. Most countries have their version of “quicken”. Govs tend to go windows only in most official software. I need to file my income in Adobe Reader because some dev thought that the proprietary features built into the Adobe suite are the best to make an income report on. This means I need to have a Windows VM for this reason alone.

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definitely not government developed or state backed. seems to be independent.

I just do my taxes with paper and pen :wink: