Leaked hostile and gross Redhat slideshow?

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First of all, for it to be considered factual it has to be confirmed.
I’m not claiming it’s not true, I’m just saying I haven’t come across a confirmation yet (in regards to the presentation being authentic at least, IBM’s CEO’s explicit implication of quotas and firings would be damning regardless).

Do you mean implicitly?
Being completely honest I didn’t watch the entirety of all linked videos.
It does seem that the ideas expressed might align with the released document but I didn’t see explicit confirmation. But if he indeed did and I missed it could you please point me to the timestamp of the video?

That said, even presenting facts doesn’t necessarily exempt one from bias…
I could create a topic presenting facts supporting XY position, then silence everyone expressing a differing opinion even while not opposing the facts I presented.
That’s why I tried to be explicit about “moderation”.

Why would you assume that?

I’m not an American and I’m not very familiar with US Law, but a Federal Complaint being filed would suggest there is grounds of legal implications, no?

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No, explicitly. The big boss of IBM literally confirmed it was true. Can’t get any more explict than that.

It’s all pretty disgusting, but I would lie if I said I was surprised. It’s IBM and RedHat, after all.

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No i meant what i meant…I don’t remember exact timestamps, sorry, but if you’re interested you can watch it all here (it’s certainly in one of those videos):
https://www.youtube.com/@okeefemedia/videos

Starting from that video and up:
LEAKED: CEO of IBM Coerces Employees, Threatens to Cut Bonuses Unless They Discriminate in Hiring

That one excluded:
BREAKING: JAMES O’KEEFE EXPOSES IBM LIVE w/ WHISTLEBLOWERS (Full X-Space Audio Recording)

Well that CEO is not giving any interviews now it seems, wonder why :joy:

But if you mean your question about place with some rational discourse - Twatter is technically the most unbiased place right now it seems, but it’s so much crap from all sides - that it’s almost impossible to get any rational civil discussion on anything, especially stuff like that…

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That may be.

But the premise of the original post has been not focusing on the most important, often overlooked, aspect that is “Corporate Pandering”, and more focused on toxic culture war that has been going on in US.

There can’t be a healthy discussion with such premise. There can only “this is racism, because IBM has race preference”, not realizing the policy itself is pandering. Racism isn’t the point. They seek good PR.

Free Software Foundation seems to think so:

To use free software is to make a political and ethical choice asserting the right to learn, and share what we learn with others.

If you developed a superior wheat crops and you decided to make it a “Free (Soft)ware”. I have rights to use, copy, and fork that seeds. That way our collectives live can be improved.

To gatekeep that seed with proprietary license and only aims to make the profit out of it (not to say it’s inherently wrong to seek profit, after all Free as in Libre not Free Beer) - is political and social choice. To share it is also social and political choices.

Oh, I apologize, and correct my generalization.

I love it, but I cannot in good conscience to support this OS that riddled with some Americans’ debauchery perversion of Freedom ( Antisocialists).

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to close my post I’d like to say: IBM and any giant corporations were absolutely bad and trying to pander on some part of population for good PR. They don’t care bout Race, They don’t care about queer folks, they don’t care about Me, they don’t care about you. They care about their bottom line. Because they exist to extract profit from you. Because that is the system we are currently live in.

Best believe when IBM worker trying to unionize, they will show you their real skin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_unions

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/07/17/us/union-plans-drive-to-organize-ibm.html

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As a former IBMer (15+ years ago), this is beyond embarrassing.

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Yeah, I genuinely meant my question.

Twitter is a site I never used and never will tbh…
In the past I allowed myself to follow links (embeds) that caught my attention and read a tiny bit here and there, but since it went with the new hot “account REQUIRED” policy there is no way I’ll make the extra effort to access that mess.

P.S: Thanks for the video link, will check it out.

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I say - good riddance…soycial networks are definitely made to destroy your health and well being :upside_down_face:
It’s always better to read some books, than all that mess.

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I very much so agree (been off social media for the past ~5y or so)

The sad reality is though, oftentimes “news” are even worse than “social media”…
Journalism has gone to shit, all they do is SELL SELL SELL

Edit: I only mention that as context to my effort of finding some place where information is introduced/debated/contested/discussed.

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Even if this thread gets closed, which eventually will, since it’s political in nature, I recommend that it stays on the visible part of the forum, because RedHat and IBM need to be called out publicly for their disgusting racism.

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I’m not even sure about that anymore…Since lately most of the times legacy news media as well as “modern” pundits are missing some stuff that should clearly SELL AS HOT CAKES!!!, while instead feeding some utter propaganda, that not many really want to see or hear.

The whole idea of getting news is dead, we’re de-facto living in Jean Baudrillard “Simulacra and Simulation” type of world…Anything can be manufactured, as long as you can twist the whole idea of truth by manipulation of words meaning via deconstruction methods.

The only way any sane person can find truth in all this mess - is basically to become own news agency / journalist…many sources, many confirmations, search for biases…all that manually.
Which will take about 24 hours each day, and will make you a literal mad :clown_face:…yeah… :rofl:

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Easy one.

Let us say since 2020: How many people are at or rotated through IBM (Redhat)? A few hundred thousands? That’s a decent sized city in most countries.

How many incidents in this city are you aware of? At this size over the years there should be at least a few official complains to (federal) authority: retirement, health care, social security, … Human resources is a minefield. Can you name more than this one? From the top of your head?

And if the answer is No why are you aware of this one in particular? Who felt it important in which context to bring it to you?*

But most importantly if these are very much followed guidelines we should see a torrent of not only presentations but real world effects. Can someone point to a few? I’m curious.

*As a bonus point look up Lunduke. He’s probably still rambling about the GNU covid pass apocalypse.

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Chuck Norris doesn’t install Arch. Arch installs Chuck Norris…without Installscript!

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maybe i missed something what is the point because there is no way in hell anyone can think Racism under any light is Good PR

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Fish stinks from the head downwards. This was not some random racist idiot making inappropriate comments, this was the CEO of one of the most important corporations in the world – a very prominent racist idiot.

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I imagine he PUNCHES Arch Linux installation…via punched cards :rofl:

The IBM 12-row/80-column punched card format came to dominate the industry.

Oh well…here we go again! :roll_eyes:

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My 2nd computer programming class used punch cards (FORTRAN, maybe?); 1st was Assembly via teletype.

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Guys, what is this?

The presentation is 3 years old. It is talking about DE&I (Diversity, Equity & Inclusion). This is a topic most companies embrace these days. But it is not new. In Americas for example for many years it is a popular KPI for big corporations to show how many business they give to “minority owned companies”. Quotas for female executives are popular in many companies around the world. And racial quotas have a long history in Americas too ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_quota )

O’Keefe Media Group makes a story out of it. John O-Keefe is a far right activist. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O’Keefe ) He does not like any DE&I related stuff. I am just wondering why he makes a story out of it now. I am sure the material was available for a while.

The allegation put forward to the court with an “Investigation Request” is coming from the “America First Legal” organization. They claim on their website that they are " Fighting Back against lawless executive actions and the Radical Left." And they dont like DE&I either.

I spare you my conclusion on this topic. Make up your own mind.

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Did you read the entire presentation? I actually was thinking the same as you until I reached the later slides. It went from standard DE&I stuff to…something else.

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Specifics matter.
Wording in the document for example, eg the “Commandments”

Or are you insinuating just that the document is fabricated? I’m not sure…

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The important thing to take from this, IBM/Red Hat is an sketchy company and they shouldn’t be in charge of directing Fedora or the countless other projects they fund.

Unless they clarify stuff, they should be removed from the Linux space ASAP!

Edit: typo

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