Why should anything be intentionally impossible or even intentionally inconvenient? Why should software mistreat me? That’s a definition of malware.
Also, are you not offended, are you not absolutely outraged by some brainlet dweeb on the Wayland committee who thinks he knows better than you how you should use your own computer?
I agree with security, there should be checks and confirmations, but I don’t want a nanny computer. I am the master of my computer and of all software that runs on it (at least in principle). I don’t want my computer telling me “I’m afraid I can’t let you do that Dave.”
I was going to eddit my reply above, but I figured a new reply would be clearer, and expand to the rest.
Just to be clear, my argument with root wasn’t that running software as root is a “fantastic idea”
Merely I was saying, that something that is by-design (ie a keylogger) very easy to maliciously exploit, needs to communicate that “you should trust this”.
Is running it with root privileges ideal? F* no.
As already discussed, I would much rather have the android model.
But, I prefer that to any program having access to key-logging functionality (which is, I admit, opinionated). And it’s probably not impossible to do on Wayland with root, so it shouldn’t be among your deal-breakers.
Personaly no. Because I have made zero effort to be part of it.
And regardless of your expressed disdain of the developers and people involved in it, I honestly think that especially as someone who disagrees with the project’s directions, your opinions have value and I would hope you could “compromise” and try to express your opinions (as emotionless as possible) to where they will be viewed by those involved.
Maybe they are making stupid decisions, but I can’t feel offended by them when I’m making no effort to steer them.
(Sorry for taking time to reply, from time to time I find myself trying to translate words and try to communicate my ideas clearly, english is not my mother tongue )
I dont understand why those mainstream distros had to force software that is allmost at alpha state. Non technical noobie runs away fast if he has Nvidia a card.
They want to build momentum behind Wayland to encourage its development. This is reasonable and provided X11 is available as a backstop (with plenty of signposting for new users) I support it. Users with accessibility needs shouldn’t be presented with Wayland as default though.
I just wanted to point out that reasonable everyday tasks that were impossible two years ago are working now. You don’t need root to pick a color. You don’t need root to record your screen.
But I will not write an application. And this is clearly the thread for people who want to talk about what X can and whatever else can’t. Maybe I should leave it alone. Have fun storming the castle.
There are good reasons for dropping X11 on the one hand.
But on the other hand Wayland simply hasn’t reached the state to comfortably use it as a daily driver.
But most things are never as bad as they seem, I’m pretty sure the X11 button/option will be only 1 click away in the login manager.
Depending of your hardware/DE this could be totally false. I daily drive wayland since 2019 with Plasma. At that time the shell could seppuku itself for no reason. Fast forward today, i can’t even tell you when was the last time this happen.
As others have already stated though, that’s exactly why there is a push to make it the default.
It’s not becoming the default because it is rock-solid stable, it is becoming the default in order to become rock-solid stable.
And especially from Fedora’s viewpoint, the decision makes perfect sense - they are early adopters of everything…
That’s also not exactly true.
Making Wayland the default and dropping X session, pretty much means X will not be a click away…
It will need to be explicitly installed, and potentially also configured.
And any issues one faces during that procedure, will be unlikely to be answered by devs as unsupported.
Distros have the final choose. They can put wayland as a default or not but removing x11? hell no, x11 is here to stay a long time, think about the poor novidia users! (maybe some will nonetheless)
I’m running Arch + Nvidia proprietary + Wayland while using Hyprland.
I would describe the experience sometimes kinda glitchy. But perhaps the combination of NVIDIA proprietary and Wayland is the culprit at the end, there are better options out there.
X11 experience seems more smooth to me, but I am trying to stay away from it.
This cannot be listened to. One guy mumbles with a thick foreign accent and a lisp, to the point of being completely incomprehensible to me, the other one has a voice that is probably in violation of some Geneva convention about cruel methods of torture.
I’m sure they have great arguments, but alas, those arguments will not reach me.
scratch wayland, set Linux … if distributions don’t precompile the kernel module, many kernel updates do break the nvidia driver and the next boot is a black screen (had that experience at work several times although dkms was configured but failed due to kernel changes that broke the compilation, thankfully my sysadmin saw the point and bought me an AMD card …)
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