EU outlawing American cloud services

I know it is somewhat difficult to be completely apolitical as it relates to this topic but please try to keep it from going too far away from the original topic.

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I’m not so sure on that. :thinking:

Edit: I think that cloud services provided no matter what country they are in should be 100% secure and privacy should be the utmost importance as long as users are abiding by the rules otherwise they should subject to scrutiny especially if cloud services are being used for criminal activity.

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Fwiw I totes agree with you about corporations we are just a tool they employ to serve the shareholders. So much in fact the we are ourselves incorporated at birth in a legal fiction that is commonly known as a straw man. Our birth certificate with our names in all caps is proof of it. A full discussion of it can be found in episodes 47 and 48I believe of what’s up prof on YouTube under amazing discoveries Africa.

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The only side effects is only that those big company’s only more invest in cloudservices…

is like somewhere in the netherlands they invest in windmills for 256000 households later there comes google/facebook with there services drive power use of also round 256000 households and they get some finance r some promise of green energie …

only effects is you get cloud services to europe…investments… thats regulations mostly it is double edge sword :slight_smile:

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I just want to point out that these two points are opposing.

If privacy is utmost importance than you won’t know if they are being used for criminal activity.

If blocking criminal activity is the priority you need to sacrifice privacy to allow that scrutiny.

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My weekly truck supply of :clown_face: makeup is off with it’s schedule, so i can’t comment in this thread :sob:

P.S. HONK-HONK!!! :upside_down_face:


But seriously, i doubt anything will really change for end-user, it’s just a matter of who’s under control of “Big Tech” at a time anyway.

It’s a bit too late, to make & take such legislature seriously, given what we know about…stuff…this days.

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I live in America and I’m all for less spying by my government

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That’s my point! People think that privacy should just be cart blanche unfortunately it cant for this reason. But there has to be a balance and all i am saying is privacy with respect to normal activity around the use within the boundaries of what the rules are for the designated purpose should be paramount. If it’s outside of that then privacy has no place. Privacy is not a defense for the purpose of criminal deeds.

Edit: So we will always be subject to scrutiny in my opinion. It’s the spying and using data for purposes other than this that i have a problem with.

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In utopia this would be great - unfortunately the definitions of ‘criminal’ get changed all too easily - and sometimes quickly. That’s why privacy should be the priority regardless… (sigh)

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At the end ‘A gouvernment’ outlawing there self also… its in liberal foundation at the end… its mayby not precise scientific evidence. but connecting each straw to each end’s and all are connected… its pretty ironic, the edge get very confusing later on.

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I guess there was never a real chance to really resist this. Money rules and makes the world go round. As long as all those capitalist players deny social responsibilty and always claim falsely that everything social equals communist stuff nothing will change. Either it is a lack of education or simply greed. Most likely the second. What money and power mean to those “liberal” western people one can easily see in Brexit. They are willing to sacrifice all virtues for selfish gain.
A wise man once said : You can fail if you fight, but if you don’t fight you have already lost.
We should never give up fighting that sh**. In the early days people also expected David to loose when fighting Goliath.

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Where can I read more on this?

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Ah, that explains it. I haven’t used a full Office suite since 2006, so I didn’t know this. (I used Apple’s iWork for a long time, before switching to Linux and Open source software) I just use teams to talk with certain clients of mine, the majority of my clients use Zoom.

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If there’s a significant migration to Jitsi, Google or Microsoft will simply buy it and we are back to square one.

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Not really, not in the EU. The laws are different.

It’s FOSS, so can be forked

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It seems likely that Zoom will just do what they have to do to become compliant with the new regulations rather than walk away with all their business in the EU.

For most large entities, jitsi lacks the controls they need so I don’t see a large-scale migration from zoom to jitsi happening.

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That implies the assumption that the founders also are greedy. I still believe that there are a few people out there who don’t do things just for money. If enough companies and private people migrate to that open source stuff, there is enough money to be earned. Maybe you’ll not getting paid quadrillion $, € etc but still enough money to lead a comfortable life. In addition to that those people would help to rediscover/defend long gone values.

That’s an additional valid point.

It would replace the word need with the word want.
It’s seen as inevitable to monitor people, especially when working in home office.

By controls I wasn’t referring to the ability to monitor.

What jitsi lacks is the advanced scheduling and meeting controls.

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Sorry for misinterpreting your statement.

If these features are really needed it surely is not impossible to add those. The more people use this free software, the more people might be willing to help to advance it.
What if those entities would invest some of the large license fees into the development of the software? Would be much cheaper. Not only in the long run.