EU outlawing American cloud services

The EU had decided to outright outlaw the use of America based cloud services for companies and authorities citing privacy and espionage concerns.

This involves icloud, one drive, Google drive, drop box but also services such as Zoom.

This will be… Interesting, especially regarding icloud and one drive since those are baked into their respective environments very deeply.

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It is best to have those cloud servers based in the EU, if they operate in the EU, so the EU can have a eye on them. Last 4 years didn’t make us trust the big bro out there across the Atlantic. (Sorry for the political angle. :slight_smile: )

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I do understand the cloud service restrictions for a large part but if Zoom is banned, what about Teams (MS)?
A lot of companies and governments do use those as their communication tools.

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i think it’s about zoom recording meetings. I think that function is different from Teams implementation of it. But not sure.

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You’re probably right but I think those companies will find a loop-hole in these rules, so everyone can still use their services.

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I use pCloud, a cloud service which let you choose if you prefer to store your data in the US or in the EU (I choosed EU). I am quite happy with it.

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There can’t be any doubt that these companies just chose the wrong platforms for their internal communication. There are a lot of reliable and highly configurable solutions out there besides the mentioned ones. Maybe a little more work to set up, but surely safer. One just needs folks in the IT who know how to handle stuff.
Jitsi meet would be a viable route. Open source, free (like in free beer and free speech) and quite easy to adopt to ones needs.
For online storage a company could easily set up an owncloud server. No magic needed and no other companies involved.

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Any source on that?

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I agree with you but often it is a matter of what other companies they’re dealing with, use as a communication platform and often it is one of those big ones.

The storage in the cloud is the easy part to solve of the two.

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I’ll dig it up later. At work now.

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They should just ban Microsoft and Google, and all our computing problems would be solved.

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/s

These companies have billions of customers that rely on their services. What do you offer them as replacement? People want cloud services. Banning a particular set of companies wont change anything, they will be replaced by others.

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https://www.data-infrastructure.eu/GAIAX/Navigation/EN/Home/home.html

The news that Google, Microsoft and Amazon were joining Gaia-X therefore came as a surprise to many. In November, the three announced that they were among the founding members of the Gaia-X Foundation AISBL.

source: heise.de

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Doesn’t Microsoft have a full set of infrastructure in the EU? I know the last time I setup an Enterprise Office 365 instance it asked me what region it should be tied to and where the data should be stored.

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Okay, so the deal is cloud storage; when it comes to things like Zoom it’s really secondary, and it seems the Swedish government have a harder view on it than most but it still means the EMA and European universities, all that have deals with Zoom, will have to find other solutions…

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how long until someone files a law suit?

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About what?

Edit: these things does not happen in a vacuum. Just like the EU forced Microsoft change the Windows installer in Europe to directly ask you which one of 5 different browsers you wanted as default during install (instead of just installing Edge) they have been in contact with these companies and American authorities for awhile.

Remember that American authorities demand backdoors in hard- and software while the EU wants to stop that, and that is not a good match up. If Apple is put in a position where they have to chose between American laws and EU laws they will chose American, but that might force the EU to put their foot down, like now.

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The good news of course is that the uk can choose whatever they like thanks to brexit

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Well they will be standing alone, as they wanted. Which most likely means they will have to count on being spied on by America.

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