Curious about general consensus of DE among Endeavouros users?

YES ++++ :vulcan_salute:

Think of the surfing though.

I like how I can hover the cursor over an audio file and preview the file without opening it. There are other reasons also but, that is my favorite.

About battery usage, many other students from my university have same victus laptop, or omen but with the same battery and other configs are the same too, I was surprised to hear that theirs live for 3-4 hours with windows.
Mine can handle for about 6-8 hours in general coding/browsing mode.
I’ve heard a tonn stories about how terrible battery life on linux laptops, that the sleep and hibernate are not working, bluetooth/wifi never working, but, well. Seems most of it is pretty much bullshit, at least nowadays.

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Consensus among Linux users? Sir, your sense of humor is very peculiar.

I’m using Gnome and I’m enjoying it.
I chose Gnome due to Wayland support, which is great.

But I’m not stuck with Gnome…

I have been reading that KDE is “almost there” for Wayland, so, perhaps my next DE will be KDE, lets see…


Wayland will be improved further in KDE Plasma 6 (due by the end of the year), and will be the recommended default.

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Hope at this time it will also work without XWayland, which as I understand still using X11 as dependency, which makes the job twice.
And if tests are true, this layer of abstraction eats up about 10% perfomance in the games. Which is a lot, that’s like a difference between new generations of the GPUs, but in the direction of a downgrade.

That’s not down to Plasma - it depends on the apps you use.


I used to be an XFCE fan, but that development seems to be going nowhere in regard to Wayland support. I mean to say, they are supposedly working on it, but it has been nearly a decade in the making.

Additionally, I have in the past managed older systems and LXQT uses fewer resources, while still having a nice polished look (I like QT over GTK any day).

Lastly, if you are a KDE uses, I find installing both together have in the past complimented one another. And since LXQT footprint is so small, I figure, “why not?”

That all said, I do sometimes switch between them.

I’ve used almost solely xfce for at least 20 years (except for a brief period on fluxbox when running Antix) - it doesn’t have the newest bells & whistles but it is rock solid stable.

I also skip a login manager & run xorg rootless for better security. It’s one less thing to give me problems (although I think with gdm it also runs xorg as your user instead of root)

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Sure, but it’s matters in the situation when plasma starts using Wayland as a default.

I highly recommend you give Pantheon DE a try, I LOVE IT. I like cinnamon, gnome, and KDE and liked them all as well but Pantheon DE just makes sense to me. I am not big on window tiling or whatever it is called. I tried i3 and my old brain wasn’t able to wrap my head around it well. Regardless, Pantheon DE really is keeping it simple, sexy, and fast. To me I think it will always be MY FAVORITE & IDKW really. If you do try it Pantheon DE. Try the Dracula GTK theme. It is purple and dark and fits the endeavouros theme well IMO. I know some people like cairo dock too but personally I think plank the default dock for Pantheon DE rockz… simply because of the simplicity of it. Pantehon DE also to me seems to be a really simple layout. I think the simplicity of the layout is a sexy look. Just everything is setup right. Multitasking view is also super helpful if you want to see all your windows at once. JUST TRY IT! JUST DO IT! :slight_smile: You won’t regret it.

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Why is, in your opinion, Wayland better than Xorg? What benefit specifically to you does it bring? In what way is your Linux experience improved by using Wayland? What about Xorg is inadequate for your use of the computer?

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There’s only one reason I personally ended up with gnome on Wayland.

Touchpad gestures on my laptop. I tried to bring them to kde both with touchegg and even tried Wayland on plasma, and it’s just not good compared to gnome.

Otherwise I can’t really tell the difference between them honestly. If touchpad support was equal between them, I’d probably still be on plasma.

Wayland supports fractional scaling and can scale separately two high dpi screens typically needed for screens which have two different resolutions (e.g laptop connected to monitor). Can xorg do that?

I think Mint/Cinnamon DE does it. . . Voodoo magic.

Xorg is super bloated, and while it is getting major rewrites it is still at its core a very outdated way of doing what it does.

It also has been criticized for how flimsy it is from a security standpoint–for example, no isolation between windows, so any Xorg window can be a keylogger (go ahead and download a rootless keylogger for Xorg if you like:

Updating its security will not be simple due to how bloated the code has become over the past twenty years; there are still tons of supported features that most folks don’t even know exist that have to be tip-toed around. Adding up-to-date security would not be easy without breaking stuff.

Wayland is faster, smoother, more secure, easier to develop for, and gives better performance from the same hardware.


True (although not sure if it does fractional scaling) but my experience with it was a bit wonky, but that was back on Nvidia when I was still using this graphics card. So not sure. Cinnamon is great!

Yeah, I know the entire sales pitch for Wayland… By now every parrot can repeat all those talking points (even my cousin’s parrot Kiki could recite why Wayland is great, and trust me, he was the stupidest bird I’ve ever met, the idiot got eaten by a cat).

That is not what I asked. I asked how you personally benefit from Wayland.

What security issue did you personally have on Xorg that Wayland solved with its supposed increased security?

What application were you developing for Xorg and what difficulties did you encounter that were greatly simplified when you switched to Wayland. What programming language did you use? Did you use a widget toolkit? How exactly did you benefit from Wayland’s supposed ease of development?

How did you personally benefit from Wayland’s supposed increased performance? Were you playing some game that works better on Wayland? Which game? How many fps did you get by switching to Wayland? What hardware is better supported on Wayland? Novidea? :rofl:

While every parrot I know tells me that Wayland is better, my personal experience has been the complete opposite. It’s a buggy mess, it misses most elementary features that Xorg has, the supposed increased security is nothing more than a nuisance, always getting in the way, never letting you do what you want, and all the serious security issues are still present. I tried to write programs for Wayland and I quickly gave up – I couldn’t even write the equivalent of Xeyes. Sure, Xorg’s library interface is clunky, and its documentation atrocious, but most of that stuff gets abstracted away in widget toolkits like Qt, so it’s not that much of a problem.

So, I’m asking you for a specific, personal, relatable story of how Wayland has improved your Linux experience. Everything else is equivalent to “Polly wants a cracker!”, and I’ve heard it a million times.