I’m using Vivaldi (made by the same guys that used to work on Opera), for the past few months and liking it so far.
Besides Vivaldi, I leave FF installed although I pretty much use Vivaldi exclusively.
I’m using Vivaldi (made by the same guys that used to work on Opera), for the past few months and liking it so far.
Besides Vivaldi, I leave FF installed although I pretty much use Vivaldi exclusively.
1 - Firefox + Tridactyl extension for keyboard-driven browsing: not as good of an input experience as qutebrowser, but Firefox still gives a way superior browsing experience overall.
On mobile I use Iceraven, which is Firefox Fenix with some important tweaks, among which re-enabling about:config, so I can set up my DoH, and with many many more extensions available – living in Europe makes the “I don’t care about cookies” extension quite essential, but FF devs seemed not to be acknowledging that for speeding up its support.
I am growing both frustrated and hopeless about Mozilla’s course of action and the slow but unstoppable decline of Firefox, alongside just to many bad decisions on the corporation’s side: paying the CEO literal millions while sacking developers, putting resources into diversity quotas rather than meritocratic projects, making FF less and less customisable and tweakable by the user while advocating for a closed and censored Internet.
The road ahead honestly seems quite grim, and I would be grateful if someone could give me a glimmer of hope about Firefox.
I disagree and do not believe this to be the case. I will support them and use Firefox. It is in my opinion a better browser.
So the only difference in bin & non bin file is that bin comes pre-compiled? This good or bad? 
I mostly agree with Derek here. I think it is damaging to Mozilla’s reputation to be so political, especially in this political climate of divisiveness, where it’s almost impossible to have a civil disagreement on politics.
Mozilla has always been politically leftist, and I didn’t really mind that, since they appeared to be promoting free software, free internet, and free speech (of course, free as in freedom, not as in free beer). These are the ideals which are the pillars of my political world view, so I had no problem tolerating some of their more backward views which I found more disagreeable. Same thing with the Free Software Foundation, back when it was under Richard Stallman.
Censorship and “deplatforming” is something which is not compatible with Free Software. That is why I am not worried about Firefox, as long as its source code remains open, it is impossible for them to implement any censorship which could not be turned off and distributed as a truly freedom respecting fork. What I am much more concerned with is the fact that Firefox is losing the browser war to Chrome. This has been going on for awhile, and this situation certainly won’t help with that. I think that Firefox is a far superior browser to Chrome (and Chromium-based browsers), and while I find Mozilla’s leadership to be foolish, politically extremist, and distasteful, I find Google, on the other hand, to be downright evil.
I don’t think I’ll be switching away from Firefox like Derek, though. And I certainly won’t be switching to a Chromium-based browser like Brave. As long as Mozilla’s actions remain pointless virtue-signalling and do not result in an actual implementation of anti-features like censorship, I can still appreciate Firefox for the excellent browser that it is. But if they go ahead with this madness, as I stated above, I’m sure there will be forks of Firefox that respect freedom, like LibreWolf. I’m also fairly sure that Mozilla will call us far-right extremists for using these forks, but at this point, I really stopped caring, as these labels have been so overused to the point where they are completely meaningless.
I consider myself pretty much on the left, but reading this has literally sent shivers down my spine
This to me reads as supporting centralization when it’s good for censorship, both being concepts which I really abhor and go against any of my beliefs towards a free, open, and neutral Internet, as well as against the core values of the Free Software movement.
Identity politics, both of the left and of the right, have poisoned the political discourse; and on the left in particular they have possibly made the most damage, pretty much obliterating the most important discourse about achievement of equality among people (regardless, and not in function, of sex race beliefs etc) and social class struggle for economic justice
After reading that, Firefox definitely is not an option for me anymore.
I wonder what I’m going to do with Thunderbird…
Thanks for sharing that link.
But it’s nice to see that we can agree about that even if we have different opinions
Chromium and Brave for me now…
What about Evolution email?
I’ll have to check Evolution, thanks for the tip, didn’t hear about it before 
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution
I’m sure theres someone here that uses it.
What you mentioned is quite characteristic. Usually such movements often occur before a fall, but I would like to be wrong, of course.
Has anyone used this browser?
Nope and don’t intend to. I’ll stick with Firefox. 
BTW I also use Mozilla Thunderbird for an email client. Works phenomenally! Great features! Set up is a breeze. 
I agree with you… But, yes, there is a but…
Imagine that there are 10 libraries where they sell books, ok?
Suddenly, one of the libraries starts to sell books that the other libraries don’t approve,ok?
They have the option to just don’t sell the books they don’t want to, right?
But this is not what is happening today, look what Apple and Google did with Parler app…
Amazon taking down servers…
I prefer to no support or to be part of this movement, in any way…
Sure we can think different, this is just me…
There is no but for me. Don’t care about Parler and I’ll leave it at that. I’m not a social media fan!
Recently switched for mobile to Bromite, I find Firefox on mobile to be slow and of late with rendering errors here and there.
And on the desktop I use Firefox mainly, and Iridium for the sites that may need a Chromium engine.
I really tried to like firefox but brave is just so much smoother and faster on my machine…
less resource hungry as well with similar amount of addons and tweaks.
Yep, exactly my point, it’s not about your political, social or economical views at all.
You either side with Free Speech or you stand against civilization, there’s no middle ground
Whole free internet is cracking open now.
Same people who are killing Parler (governments, coz they can’t control it, not some activists if it’s not clear) are calling for deplatforming and banning of multiple platforms and messengers including Telegram (AGAIN!
like it was successful in Iran and Russia
), nevertheless it should worry a lot of people who use Telegram for work or even means of communication & feedback like
btw
What next, cheer killing Signal?
Deplatforming TOR from hosting anywhere?
Oh wait, maybe let’s kill Linux, coz it’s used by someone outside of Microsoft / Apple controlled duopoly?
Wait, wait i know, let’s create internet with login only by government IDs, THAT’s the spirit! ![]()
I really don’t envy political dissidents and independent journalists all over the world.
I feel deep shame for a lot of Linux people in FOSS movement to participate and cheer modern digital book-burning.
Becoming exactly what they claim to fight against and destroying the free internet.
Where have “practice what your preach” gone suddenly?
Or what:
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
(c) George Orwell, Animal Farm
Is it?
And i agree with @Kresimir - it doesn’t mean that we all here at Linux / FOSS movement should drop Firefox and loose war against Chrome (which is exactly what Firefox subversion by Google making this now)
But sure as hell that mean we all should send very loud and clear message that it is unacceptable for browser to support censorship, deplatforming, shadowbanning and destruction of free & global internet.
The ONLY job of web browser should be a tool to view the web, that’s it.
It’s a tool.
Browser should NOT tell us what to do.
@Christopher67
Nope, what’s it based on i wonder?
But personally i wouldn’t trust Browser made by someone involved with social networks anyway, it’s automatically makes it not safe in my opinion…