Bauh or Pamac

[anon86288359]

Hi, after installing bauh package manager on fresh installation of enOS

I am getting password issues with my system
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Password issues

I’m able to login with my password and even install something with “yay”. However whenever I try to install something else or do anything else that requires password it no longer works. I restart and the same thing happens. Able to login, first attempt at something works. Then password no longer works. And yes I’ve tried resetting the password but it requires the old password which still doesn’t work…

Every time i enter something with sudo
And type my password, it says password is incorrect

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And also
I had same problem on my another computer

In which i had installed enos with latest iso

[TurkeyJohn]

I have used Pamac for quite some time on EOS and didn’t have any issues with it. Probably a bad installation? Regardless I want to try bauh too!

[anon86288359]

Can be occurred on one installation

But if same thing occurres on another computer

Then its bug of bauh itself

So, i will stick with pamac

[Feakster]

I switched for a few reasons. I wasn’t happy about the removal of spaces for casual conversation from the forum. I also found that the strategy of holding back packages was causing problems for me in installing some AUR packages — notably, fsl, which my partner needs for her research. I also kind of wanted a change.

I don’t remember how I stumbled across EOS now, but I remember seeing a few familiar avatars that had vanished from the Manjaro forums. Also, I was immediately struck by the contrast between the two forums. EOS seemed much more friendly and open.

I never saw the point of pamac. At some point you’re going to need to use pacman. You may as well start learning it from day one. Also, as others have stated, pacman is much better for removing programmes & is less likely to break. paru & yay are both good for the AUR.

[pebcak]

If the issue is reproducible and it is a bug, please consider to file a bug report at:

Issues · vinifmor/bauh

[Ben]

@anon86288359

Well, people like me (aka formal manjaro users)
We are not terminal centric
There are file manager that works in terminal
But you still use gui based file manager.
Because its easy to use

This is a disappointing attitude. I’m sorry.

We aren’t talking about file managers here. I don’t do file management in terminal, there’s no use arguing with Kresmir on this point - he’s a very different animal in this regard. There are rumours that his terminal is set to Egyptian Heiroglyphics just for fun

But I do love that using Dolphin I can do a mouse gesture (or hit F4) and use a terminal command to do things - it works better than having a million options in the menu’s.

When my son’s teacher sends PDF’s for us to ‘print out, write the answers, then upload photos’ what I do is to download the PDF, open the location in Dolphin, hit F4 and type ‘pdftoppm file.pdf file.png -png’.

So Kresmir is correct in preferring terminal, and you’re correct for preferring GUI - but NOT if you exclude terminal.

Terminal-centric doesn’t really mean terminal over GUI, but it does point out that systems like Ubuntu trying to eradicate use of terminal in favour of GUI just make life very hard in many respects.

For installing software I do have pamac and bauh.

I found Bauh to look good, but it’s annoying because it needs a while just to warm up and get going - and I’m not patient.

As for deciding what software to choose, I tend to do that via web browser and find information - browsing GUI’s for this is really sucky.

When I know what I need (like qalculate-qt or qalculate-gtk) then there’s virtually no difference in difficulty in popping up a terminal and typing ‘qalculate’ or popping up pamac and typing ‘qalculate’. Given the two options, I probably go less than 5% with the GUI

If a task is no harder to do in a terminal than in a GUI, then it is better to use the terminal.

Both yay and paru are amazing, I use paru a little more often now (often using alias commands anyway, so if I type ‘install’ it is currently ‘paru’ but if I type ‘purge’ it’s still ‘yay -Rns’).

Look at ways to improve history management and search in your terminal - that helps.

[QAP]

I use both pamac and yay.

Pamac best used for “read only” to refer to and have overview.

Quickly by GUI see installed packages filtered by repository, dependencies, age etc

But just for viewing purpose. But actually use yay commands to do the administration of install/uninstall instead.

Difference is that with yay you get visibility of install/uninstall process as it goes through dependencies in terminal output. GUI no visual feedback from done or failed.

With GUI it won’t let you choose between -R or -Rs way on demand, but you have to go to Preferences and toggle remove unrequired dependencies as opposed to choosing the action each time you uninstall a package.

GUI does not give option to remove config files either, which is -Rn, so its not a clean uninstall compared to yay

Also if your system breaks and can’t get into DE at least you’re familiar with commands.

[anon50380917]

@anon86288359

Well, people like me (aka formal manjaro users)

Please do not generalize. I have also used (almost only) Manjaro for the last 3 years and do not cry a single tear for Pamac now. This is probably more related to the willingness to learn something new or not.

[ringo]

i tried bauh fiew times would prefer pacman to use that on some point… octopi worked more at my speed… only browsing is pkgbrowser enough to read not need a software center style… it is what it is , just use what in your speed is

[ricklinux]

I prefer pamac myself when i do use it.

[TurkeyJohn]

Ok so I tried Bauh. It’s pretty cool and veey simple to use. When it comes to download and building apps, it is faster than Pamac? I can’t find a difference anyway. Just use what is stable and good for ya

[rjz]

Bauh seems to be just as fast as Pamac at functioning, but it does take a long time to startup and update its repository listings. I think that is due to it also checking for flatpak and appimage updates in addition to the Arch repos.

I actually like the way Pamac looks more than Bauh, but Bauh seems to break less, so if you do wish to use a GUI, I would go with Bauh. Still, one should know how to use yay (or alternatives like paru or pikaur) in case you have to.

The solution I have come to is to use Bauh more like an app store (browsing for apps) and stick with pikaur as my actual package manager - for performing more detailed stuff than just looking for an app and for full system updates. Obviously you can do whatever you like, but that works well for people that live in other distros for whom pacman is not a native language. Or people new to Arch that want to browse for software availability.

[RodneyCK]

@rjz

but it does take a long time to startup and update its repository listings.

If memory serves me, I think there is an option in the settings to stop the constant checking at startup, so you can do it manually.