An interesting rant on Arch users

Thanks for the missing piece @keybreak!
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I’ve used vanilla Arch for quite a long time (previously: Manjaro and Antergos), but can’t resist reading befriended forums. :slight_smile:

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When I installed my current Arch laptop I was following this post
https://austinmorlan.com/posts/arch_linux_install/ because he’s covered exactly the setup I wanted. For some reason I ended up on the Arch forum a bit later where someone wrote that he installed his OS following the same blog. A moderator responded along the line of ā€œwont bother clicking this link, check with the author, closed.ā€
I don’t think I have seen anything so, well, I don’t know what to call this, before and anytime after.

In Janinah’s manual/wiki that kind of behaviour is called rude. :unamused: Btw I love your avatar :blush:

Anyhoodle, I only started learning about Linux in April and one of the pieces of advice/running jokes I’ve constantly came across is ā€œNever post in the Arch forums!!ā€ I’ve gathered that the trauma as a result of doing so would be akin to signing my own death warrant!

Although, another piece of advice I’ve regularly came across is that the Arch Wiki is one of the most comprehensive documents ever written in the Linux sphere. With users of debian derived distros even using it. Now having looked things up in the Arch Wiki several times these last few months, I do agree that its a great resource. Even though I don’t always understand the content of the wiki; a couple of YouTube videos and Linux posts in Reddit usually clear up my confusion.

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Endeavour minus a single extra dedicated repo makes it at least >99.99% Arch. So I have to disagree where they are coming from. The point of Arch is not that you run Arch, it’s not that you’re better than anyone else. It’s that it’s 100% yours.

Back in my youthful days, cars were my everything. Built, not bought. You show up to race, and there’s a very distinct difference. There’s so much respect that goes into a car someone built. The nuances that only that mechanic would do, or the struggle as they are getting fractions of a second better. That’s the point. Anyone can go buy a fast car and just show up to race. Not everyone can go into the garage, manhandle an engine into the bay, weld up a manifold for a turbo, splice the wiring in to run an AEM ecu, or have any idea what they are looking at when adjusting fuel profiles.

But anyone can go down to a dealership, pay the dealer and show up with a helmet ready to race.

THAT’S Arch, and that’s the Arch the Arch forums are there to help you with. You can’t just drive your car into the pit and expect someone to help you. But if you’re there with your car that you built, they will. I can tell you I’ve been up at 1am in the parking lot of a Howard Johnson, helping some Canadian I met a few hours earlier, put his car up on jackstands, crack open a Molsen and replace the transfer case he blew up in qualifying so he could race the next day.

It’s a very hard thing to understand if you’ve never really built something from the ground up. The hobbyists. The guys who build things that you can enjoy later simply without having to know what injector pulse means. Press play, and the install goes through.

I love this community, Endeavour is incredible. Alas, it’s not Arch, although, it’s REALLY incredibly close. The part that makes Arch different or special is that it’s truly yours. That’s where the ā€œelitismā€ comes from at the forums. I don’t mean this to put anyone down, it’s not to be standoffish. It’s not an argument. It’s just a way to understand why they are that way, and the perception of them not helping isn’t true.

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Except even if you DO build it yourself, they DON’T help (based on my experience that admitedly was quite some time ago). They close your thread and say RTFM. That’s basically ALL they do.
I’m sorry, I understand what you’re aiming at, but it’s totally off about that forum. That forum is simply a bunch of hateful and toxic people taking their hatred out on anyone and everyone that they can because they feel better than them. There’s nothing altruistic or positive about anything that goes on in those forums, it’s just the definition of toxic.

If it’s a known well documented question, and/or very elementary, they rightfully should do that. The Arch documentation, while tough to navigate sometimes, is extremely comprehensive. So, it really depends on the question. We strive to help everyone here. They do too, with much more stipulations to qualify for help though. Does that make them toxic? I guess that’s up to how you look at it. I definitely do not, while you seem to. Luckily we use Endeavour, so we don’t need to worry about that.

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No!

99.99% of Arch is RTFM, deal with it :rofl:
The rest is all technical stuff :upside_down_face:

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I don’t see any eletism on the Arch forum, I see very proud users in what they have achieved, I also see users that seem to think its OK to demand help, saying that i see many Manjaro users demanding help on the Manjaro forums and abusing users trying to help.
No doubt the same will slowly come to this forum in time. lol

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I believed EnOS to be 100% Arch plus it’s own extra repo. So without it, are we still left with 100% Arch?

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Getting that last .01% is the hard part. :laughing:

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Unfortunately, there is no 99.99 emoji reaction, so you’ll have to make do with
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From my limited experience of the Arch Forum, I think the users would help but the moderators often quickly shut down a thread if they don’t like your question, or move you to the beginners section. I’ve never found them friendly but I rarely bother with the Arch Forum. If I can’t find what I want on the Arch Wiki I go to google.

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I dont knos but sure is they dont like old topics upvote with another question…is understandable… is just what you pick up.

Right. Exactly what I was saying. Thank you for confirmation!

@jonathon and that’s exactly the point. It’s funny. But that ever so slight of a difference matters. That’s why we’re at the endeavor forum, and not the Arch forum.

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If you show up to the party that everyone is 100% invite only and one other person who wasn’t invited gets in. . . Is 100% of the party invite only still?

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I disagree. There are no stupid questions. The documentation may be extremely comprehensive and encyclopedia-sh but it’s generally too technical for the average person. It also doesn’t really explain how to do a lot of things. It just gives technical info and it relies on your understanding or lack there of to figure it out. That is what they are supposed to be there to do. Help! That’s the way i look at it! And i agree with @tlmiller76

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It’s not that they are stupid, they tend to be repetitive. They want to be concise. So if you have an issue it’s searchable. Arch is huge and has been around well over a decade now. Imagine if you searched something and it came to with like 1000+ solved threads. That could be overwhelming. Where if it’s been repeated only a few times and closed the other 995 times, you’ve narrowed your search by a huge factor.

But more importantly, just as there was always people in the racing world who thought a bought car deserved the same respect as a built car, not everyone will agree with me. That’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can think I’m wrong. Hell, maybe I am even wrong. It’s also fine. But there’s a lot of folks who agree with me. And that’s how I see the Arch forum situation.

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It’s actually closer to 20 years than 10 now. 2002-today.