A thank you and farewell for now

This is not the case anymore the KDE Plasma spin has been upgraded, but it will take some time for them to workout things.

Not sure where you are getting at but you can just install Steam with your normal package manager and same for obs, although I’v never used the latter?

The normal version often doesn’t work. Installing mods for games gets kinda difficult as well.

How does the Flatpak version of Steam make installing mods easier, I don’t use mods for the games I play? I’ve never had issues with either the Flatpak or the normal version?

No, you can install via dnf but some applications are available only via flatpak. There is an RPM package for discord but it’s a hit or miss at times. Then if you use spotify, there’s only the flatpak and god forbid if you want it to abide by your theme or display scaling. Flatpaks are great at removing dependency related problems but they often can’t blend in well due to sandboxing.

I prefer to use the Flatpak version for propietary applications most of the time, the only one that I currently don’t do that with is Steam.

If you want to try protontricks or protonhax, or something similar, some of these tools don’t communicate with flatpaks and the steam flatpak will require these to be installed via flatpak. Protontricks for example doesn’t work the same way inside flatpak as you’d expect under steam os if you happen to have a deck. Installing GE Proton via Protonup-Qt never worked for me under Fedora. Flatpak or native, same. On Steam Deck it was a breeze, same on EOS. I didn’t dig deeper, so can’t really say if it was some weird dependency there that kept things from working properly.

I’ve used protontricks with a long time ago wihen I was still using the Steam flatpat, can’t remember running into an issues.

I’ve also never had issues installing different proton version with protonup-qt, I have since a while switched over to ProtonPlus because it looks better with Gnome. I just realized you are talking about SteamOS, I was talking just normal desktop, I do have a Steam Deck but I only use it to play Steam games.

Sigh, this whole exchange between the 2 of you has made me very weary… Guess I’ll see what’s what and which horrors await me when I get to that point. Right now I have a million other things to do… :sweat:

A “farewell for now” does not mean a “farewell forever” :wink:

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The “for now” part came more from my fears that Fedora won’t be right for me either, in which case my plan is to just come back to EOS; noooo! I am not gonna go try every other distro under the sun dear reader, I repeat, I’m really not a distro hopper… :worried:

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Don’t make yourself go crazy about problems you haven’t even run into yet, you might not even run into them. I’ve used Protonup-QT onFedora and it worked just fine. I’m using ProtonPlus now as a normal package and that also works fine. I’ve used the Flatpak version of Protontricks and the normal version, although I haven’t had the need for it anytime recent.

Just take one step at a time and don’t worry about stuff you aren’t having problems with yet. I’m not sure what you’re gaming setup looks like compared to mine but I’ve never had issues with gaming on either Arch or Fedora. I’m also getting the impression you are still in a learning process of figuring out how things work, so cut yourself some slack and give yourself some time to learn.

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All very good advice indeed, but I’m not wired that way sadly. I’m an obsessive little F that, despite what I wrote in replying to you somewhere above, does(not that I like to) usually end up complicating things for himself quite a lot… :person_facepalming:

Okay @dbarronoss , @LBTRS and I think even @Cphusion so I’ve been trying to use the Discover store like you said, but here’s an important!!(IMO) question:

As you well know I’m sure when uninstalling stuff in Fedora dnf shows you a list of unneeded dependecies that it’s gonna also remove automatically for you to keep things tidy. So by doing it through the terminal with dnf you can keep an eye on what’s what, heck you can even use dnf remove <package name> --noautoremove if you don’t wanna take any risks.

So my question is, what exactly is gonna happen when I click the “Remove” button in the Discover store?!? :fearful:

AAAAANNNNNDDDD!!! no offence, but before you start writing your usual “don’t worry about it” or “Don’t make yourself go crazy”, “you overcomplicate stuff” etc. I would like to direct you to this thread! on the Fedora forums(that I found so freaking fast when I first accessed the site that I didn’t even have the time to register first) where the poor user ended up having to reinstall the OS(read the following bold in a sarcastic Robin Williams voice: the thing which some of you know I love to do the most!!!) because dnf removed some dependecies which it thought where not needed anymore… :sob:

I use Gnome on Fedora and I’ve always used the terminal for managing my software even on Fedora. When using dnf there is no reason to actually use “–noautoremove” because it will only remove the dependencies of the actualy package that you are removing, it won’t remove dependencies still used by other software in normal situations, of course there can be bugs. I alway use “dnf remove package”.

To add to that I’ve using using RHEL systems for 10+ years for work and I’ve never run into issues with yum/dnf removing extra dependenies when removing a package. If you are really that much of a control freak(sorry didn’t know a better word but not meant in a negative way, first language isn’t English) than you might as well just install EndeavourOS since EndeavourOS/Arch is about control and doing it yourself but even with EndeavourOS/Arch you can run into bugs.

I would define that as a package bug if dependency is removed that shouldn’t be removed.

Really not a problem, I’ll be the first to admit I am much worse things then that. :wink:

Regardless with the terminal and the --noautoremove added to the command I wrote above you can protect yourself again stuff like that, so is there any way to do stuff like that(preferably show me everything that is gonna be removed and allow me to decline or omit certain parts) if I click the “Remove” button in the discover store? Or is it gonna do whatever it wants/thinks is right?!

I literally have programs I need to remove and am waiting on doing that sitting here looking at that remove button not knowing what to do because I am scared shitless… :clown_face:

It’s basically a matter of 15 minutes if you have to reinstall the OS after breaking it in some fashion. Keep that in mind.

Aha, sure, well this is day 2 of this particular reinstall for me. I’ll let you know when I’m done…

As I have posted before I really like EndeavourOS and the forum here.When I can get the funds to build a new desktop it will have EOS installed as the only system.I also have another desktop that has Fedora installed since I built it around 2020.I started using Fedora around 2003 when Red Hat became RHEL.To compare Arch to Fedora is kinda like comparing Dodge to a Chevy they both have 4 wheels and look cool and get you where your going but under the hood they are different.I thought I was pretty good in the Linux world until I started using Manjaro which I have used for around 6 years now.I have learned that if I want to learn about a new system I need to read about it and listen to what people in these forums have already learned as I learned quick I did not know anything about Arch based systems.I use Fedora Manjaro and EndeavourOS and the only issues I have had was doing something I did not understand and breaking it.Today I like to just keep it simple and if it works I do not tinker with it.

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I can’t answer that because like I mentioned I use the terminal to manage my software, not the gnome software center or kde plasma discovery. If I were to make a logical guess then it will just do whatever running “dnf remove” from the commandline would do since software stores are just frontends and therefore you would not be able to select what dependencies you want to exclude from removing. So then if you were to want to that you would just have to use dnf from the commandlline with whatever flags you want to use. But to be sure you can just try it for yourself to verify it :slight_smile: that is when it comes to kde discovery.

No need to be scared, it’s not going to kill you :wink:

Have you thought about installing and setting up “btrfs-assistant” for taking snapshots of your system, that way you can reverte to a previous state if needed.
dnf install btrfs-assistant

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To the first part of what you said: I see, k I’ll try a combo then of first at least running the remove command in the terminal and seeing what would be removed and answering N when it asks me to continue, and then maybe doing it from Dicover, we’ll see where I end up…

To the last part of what you said: I’m guessing the correct answer I should give is “No, because I don’t use btrfs, I use ext4, so I was planning on using/looking into Timeshift.”

I apperciate your perspective too @straycat , I’ll get there eventually, I hope…

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