The answer is ‘when in Rome, do as the Romans do’. You aren’t in Arch land any more but have migrated to the land of the RedHats.
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What @LBTRS is right. The Arch mentality is completely different from most other distros, except ones based on BSD or Gentoo.
Use the GUI package manager. It won’t cause issues with packages and will show visual indications of other things you may need to do, like removing unneeded packages.
Of course, this is also based on your overall “tech-savvyness”. If it were me, I’d be fine in a terminal, and so too other more experienced Linux users.
This takes time. You’ll get there eventually.
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Ok… one last question then, and please don’t hate me, I’m just the messenger, but how come every single tutorial video and stuff I’ve watched so far whenever “discover” was mentioned it was always accompanied with something like “thats crap, don’t use that, OMG stay away, etc…”? 
Probably because Discover can’t deal with pacman manual interventions.
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Because Discover uses a “package-fetching toolkit” that isn’t fully compatible with Pacman.
PackageKit is the name.
Fedora has a much different philosophy than Arch. Fedora prefers to do things much differently as well. I would actually recommend you do that one thing you hate and that is try a few distro’s out before settling on one. You can place several live editions on a ventoy disk and try them out and see which ones feel best to YOU. I used Fedora for years before moving to Arch and It was a very solid distro. However It has its own learning curve just as Endeavour has its. Not only does Linux do things very differently than Windows Each distro can be very different in how they do things as well. I Think you should really allow yourself some time to learn and explore. Those are the things that will help you grow.
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That’s advice with Arch and Arch based distros…every other distro using KDE is meant to be used with Discover.
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Ok… :head_spinning: I’ll give discover a shot tomorrow then. Now it’s gotten late, gonna watch a movie then turn in.
Good night everyone, sleep tight, don’t let the penguin bugs bite.
P.S. And hey I forgot to mention the bright side, at least I have a working pc(hardware wise) after spending almost the entire day yesterday swaping stuff out. That is more then I expected knowing my luck!! 
P.S.S. I also took a funny picture for the “Last thing you bought thread” hopefully I will remember to upload it tomorrow.
Those are AUR PKGBUILDS, so you can’t find the same ones with dnf because those packages don’t exist in the Fedora repos.
Any specific reason you need “amdonly-gaming-mesa” and “amd-only-gaming-opencl”? For gaming you should be fine with the default installed “mesa” package on both Arch/EndeavoursOS and Fedora. Not sure what you need those opencl specific packages for gaming(I’ve never needed them to game on Arch and neither on Fedora), but you can install opencl packages on Fedora as well.
From what I can find clover is outdated.
And rusticl is already in the current version of mesa.
But If you want mesa-git on Fedora you can install that as well.
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/danayer/mesa-git
But in short I have no idea why you would need those packages since everything you need is already in the current version of mesa. Arch and Fedora are both on 24.3 so you have no need for those AUR “amdonly” PKGBUILDS.
Which AMD gpu are you using in your system?
I used Fedora for months with Gnome and with KDE. When I was a beginner, I used Gnome Software / Discover. But often packages weren’t found, although they were available. I had to install them via terminal. So, at the end, I didn’t use Gnome Software / Discover. I also removed them with some other packages I didn’t need.
For Double Commander just use sudo dnf install doublecmd-qt6 in terminal. It should work. I installed that way and all was fine.
If you’re looking for specific packages in Fedora, try a search on Fedora Packages website.
Fedora Copr is also worth a try. It’s what AUR is for Arch. You could find a lot of packages made by users.
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/
Morning everyone,
Ok, thank you @DenalB I’ll look into those repos as well.
To answer your questions @Cphusion I don’t remember specifically which game it was either, I just know that in the begining I went through this whole thing with @dalto (thanks again mate) and I’ve been using amdonly ever since…
If what you’re saying is gonna turn out to be true and things will work with just the default stuff then cool, it’s not like I want/enjoy to complicate things. I just have a feeling that there will come a point when I need that stuff again… 
LE: Oh and someone(can’t find it/who anymore atm) asked me what new cpu I got, in the end it was just a Ryzen 5 7600x… 
Here’s even a full inxi if you’re curious:
VIKINGS@VIKINGSKINGDOM:~$ inxi -Fz
System:
Kernel: 6.12.10-200.fc41.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 6.2.5 Distro: Fedora Linux 41 (Forty One)
Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: Micro-Star model: PRO B650M-P (MS-7E27) v: 1.0
serial: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends LLC. v: 1.D0
date: 12/16/2024
CPU:
Info: 6-core model: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache: L2: 6 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 4849 min/max: 545/5453 cores: 1: 4849 2: 4849 3: 4849
4: 4849 5: 4849 6: 4849 7: 4849 8: 4849 9: 4849 10: 4849 11: 4849 12: 4849
Graphics:
Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Navi 31 [Radeon RX 7900 XT/7900
XTX/7900 GRE/7900M] driver: amdgpu v: kernel
Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Raphael driver: amdgpu
v: kernel
Display: wayland server: Xwayland v: 24.1.4 compositor: kwin_wayland
driver: gpu: amdgpu resolution: 2560x1440~165Hz
API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: kms_swrast,radeonsi,swrast
platforms: gbm,wayland,x11,surfaceless,device
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: amd mesa v: 24.3.3 renderer: AMD
Radeon RX 7900 XT (radeonsi navi31 LLVM 19.1.5 DRM 3.59
6.12.10-200.fc41.x86_64)
API: Vulkan v: 1.4.304 drivers: N/A surfaces: xcb,xlib,wayland
Info: Tools: api: clinfo, eglinfo, glxinfo, vulkaninfo
de: kscreen-console,kscreen-doctor wl: wayland-info x11: xdriinfo,
xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Navi 31 HDMI/DP Audio
driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Rembrandt Radeon High
Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-3: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 17h/19h/1ah HD Audio
driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-4: Razer USA RC30-026902 Gaming Headset [Nari Essential Wireless
Receiver] driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid type: USB
Device-5: Audeze LLC Maxwell XBOX Dongle
driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid type: USB
API: ALSA v: k6.12.10-200.fc41.x86_64 status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.2.7 status: active
Network:
Device-1: Realtek RTL8125 2.5GbE driver: r8169
IF: enp14s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 22.3 TiB used: 21.87 TiB (98.1%)
ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 vendor: A-Data model: SX6000PNP size: 476.94 GiB
ID-2: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST8000DM004-2CX188 size: 7.28 TiB
ID-3: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST8000DM004-2CX188 size: 7.28 TiB
ID-4: /dev/sdc vendor: Seagate model: ST8000DM004-2U9188 size: 7.28 TiB
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 48.91 GiB used: 15.94 GiB (32.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
ID-2: /boot/efi size: 2 GiB used: 7.5 MiB (0.4%) fs: vfat
dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
ID-3: /home size: 402.49 GiB used: 120.08 GiB (29.8%) fs: ext4
dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: zram size: 8 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) dev: /dev/zram0
ID-2: swap-2 type: partition size: 14.9 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
dev: /dev/nvme0n1p4
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 48.2 C mobo: 37.8 C
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
GPU: device: amdgpu temp: 46.0 C device: amdgpu temp: 46.0 C fan: 0
Info:
Memory: total: 32 GiB note: est. available: 30.45 GiB used: 5.11 GiB (16.8%)
Processes: 465 Uptime: 4m Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.37
VIKINGS@VIKINGSKINGDOM:~$
LEE: Ignore the zswap, Fedora created that by itself without even asking/telling me[RUDE!], gonna have to remember to disable that sometime today… or maybe the other way around? Haven’t made up my mind yet, more research is needed!!!
Too bad, would have been curious because you have the same generation gpu as me and close to the same version. You have an RX 7900(or XT) and I have an RX 7900XTX. That way I could have tried the game on Fedora for you if you remembered which one it was.
dalto has a good reason for something when he recommends it, so I won’t doubt his answer and reasons
Clover being removed from mesa dates back from around November 2022 which is from before your topic which you linked to where dalto gave that as a solution. So if you were to need opencl-clover for some reason that would be the only explanation I could think of.
The article of opencl-rusticl being added to mesa dates back to October 2024, which is after the post where dalto mentioned his solution. So currently opencl-rusticl is already in the current version of mesa.
But I would try it with the normal version of mesa again because opencl-rusticl is already in the current version of mesa as shown in the previous listed articles. And if you were to run into something not working and specifically needing opencl-clover than that’s the only thing I can think of. However since we have the same generation and close to the same gpu I doubt that you still need it and if you do the only explanation could for some game needing a specific driver for opencl-clover. Again I could be wrong or missing something, but I would still try it with the defaullt mesa if I were you.
There’s nothing wrong with zram, it saves you from having to use extra disk space for swap space. I use it and standby/sleep mode works with it as well even though I remember reading somewhere in the Archwiki that it’s not supported with zram.
Here it is from the Archwiki in zram.
Hibernating to swap on zram is not supported, even when zram is configured with a backing device on permanent storage. logind will protect against trying to hibernate to a swap space on zram.
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Well, if/when it happens again I’ll make sure to remember and fill you in, pinky swear. 
Till then I sadly don’t know what else to say, heck you could totally be right…
Like I said I’ll have to read more on zswap and learn about, it could be just what I’ve been looking for now that I’ve upgraded to 32gb of ram, or I could just go back to the good old swap partition.
Anyway DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED!!! on sleep, I’ve always hated sleep/standy/hibernate/anything close to this features ever since the old days of… don’t remember what it was winshit 95 or 98 or something? when one day my pc went to sleep and decided not to wake up again!!! 
And I was too young/newb in computers at that time so my mom had to call(and pay) “the guy” to come over and repair(think that just meant reinstall the os) our computer. And of course I lost all my data, no chance for any backups with the hardware of the day even if by some miracle I would have had the software knowledge.
Since then I have a SEARING BURNING HATRED!!! for anything of the sort and I will never touch it/use/will disable it first thing no matter the OS or who/how many people try to tell me of how much that technology has improved!!! I’m scared for life… 
(dang I haven’t thought of all that in ages, thanks for bringing up some childhood memories mate )
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Cool! 
But just out of curiosity, are you now back on EndeavourOS or still on Fedora?
Still on Fedora of course, I said I’d give it a shot and I intend to, a decent/fair one…
(that doesn’t mean I won’t complain along the way, heck knowing me quite the contrary…)
P.S. Not sure if I’m going to, still researching things, but who would I talk to about reopening an older thread of mine that has since closed you know automatically 2 days after the last reply?
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One of the moderators.
Right, and I know who is a moderator and who isn’t by/how…?
Staff: https://forum.endeavouros.com/about
Both moderators and admins should be able to do that for you.
Perhaps not entirely relevant, but I moved from Fedora to EOS last week. I must say I prefer EOS over Fedora. The mere fact that I no longer have to resort to Flatpaks for everyday applications is quite liberating. (Nothing against Flatpaks btw, cool tech, there are some applications e.g. Steam and OBS where I would much prefer to not have a sandbox).
Then there’s the choice of DE. Gnome is the default. KDE and others are provided as spins and the packages will often favour the default over the spins. Not something I really liked over the years, especially when you can choose to change your DE on the fly on distros such as OpenSUSE or choose any of your choice during installation with EOS or other Arch based distros.
It’s unfortunate that you’re having issues due to some packages. Can be unnerving at times.
Firstly welcome to the forum mate, hope you’ll have a good time this is a great community for the most part.
Secondly, hold on a freaking second!! cause I didn’t even get to that point, are you saying with stuff like Steam I only have the choice to install it as a flatpak on Fedora?!?!? 
