Z as in ZEN 🧘🏾

[ddnn]

As I reinstall only when I really mess things up (like every 1-2 years), I generally don’t need to be hardening FF again and again. But I get what you mean.

I may try out Mullvad’s Browser soon, though, if I can build it. I won’t be adding any more AUR/Flatpaks/etc. apps to my system. Was only quick to try Zen because they have both a “portable” package and an Appimage.

Trying to limit myself to Official repos, GIT packages, portables, and Appimages.

Edit #1: Just checked their site and noticed they have what seems to be a portable package.
Edit #2: Yep. Up and running.
Edit #3: It’s using the old file-chooser rather than XDG. Will have to figure that out. Also, I may actually not use it, as it seems to be a little too locked down for me.

[drunkenvicar]

@ddnn

Trying to limit myself to Official repos, GIT packages, portables, and Appimages.

I’m going thru something digitally/philosophically similar as far as minimizing: official, aur, the creator’s tarball at their website. That’s it.

I don’t know who audits flatpaks and appimages. Sourceforge for me is isos only. Git I have used–uneasily as some things have plain not worked. It’s a journey, isnt it?

[drunkenvicar]

@ddnn

Also, I may actually not use it, as it seems to be a little too locked down for me.

It is but I don’t use it for accts. takes some getting used to.

[ddnn]

For me, Appimages are no different from tarballs/portables because I’m only downloading them from the official dev’s page.

If I feel the need to go in and check if everything is good when downloading from the official dev’s page, I shouldn’t be using the dev’s app at all from any source.

[drunkenvicar]

great perspective.

[dbarronoss]

I downloaded the appimage today. I’m not totally sold, but I kinda prefer the sidebar approach.
You just have to get used to it, like any UI change. I prefer (for better utilization of ultrawide monitor) to have my desktop bars and panels on the sides too.

[vazicebon]

@ddnn

Someone let me know when/if this thing gets horizontal tabs. Love the way it looks, but vertical tabs are not for me, as I even force my horizontal tabs to a minimum width of 200 using browser.tabs.tabMinWidth.

Looks like modification is more than some settings changes :

chore: Update Zen Browser preferences and styles for vertical tabs layout

It seems to me Zen is Firefox with modified UI and settings, I’ll keep LibreWolf.

Zen’s default preferences are based on BetterFox

[UncleSpellbinder]

@dbarronoss

I’m not totally sold, but I kinda prefer the sidebar approach.
You just have to get used to it, like any UI change.

I’ve tried for about 2 weeks. It just doesn’t feel right. I don’t feel comfortable at all with tab buttons on the side.

@vazicebon

I’ll keep LibreWolf.

Same here.

[vazicebon]

@UncleSpellbinder

I don’t feel comfortable at all with tab buttons on the side.

I love it, I’ve used it for a while.

[swh]

I now use the Zen browser from time to time. Of course, you have to get used to the bookmarks on the page. It’s the same with everything. Once it works, it works
But I also prefer the bookmarks as a bookmark list at the top. I have only activated do not close browser last tab in config and use a modified ublock origin. Must say, somehow quite pleasant for surfing.
For daily logins like bank, mail or EOS forum I still use Arkenfox with multi-account containers.

[UncleSpellbinder]

I just don’t like it. It’s just not something I can get used to. Even on my 32" desktop monitor, it just looks wrong to me. And on my 15.6" laptop, it’s a no-go.

[ricklinux]

I don’t think i could get used to it either. I’m thinking of Vivaldi which sort of has that kind of vibe.

[swh]

I don’t think the function is bad at all. You can show or hide the sidebar with bookmarks. As described above, I’ve got used to it in the meantime.

[ricklinux]

I may have to try it but Firefox for me is a great browser. I only use ublock origin and Firefox is the only browser I have stuck with for a long long time.

[swh]

Yes, I have to agree with you. But it’s the same for me. So far I’ve only used this Zen browser for surfing. I got so used to Firefox that it was really hard for me when I saw this Zen interface
I’ve been using it for a few days now and I have to say that Zen is also a lot of fun

[ricklinux]

I think for me with all the browsers available that are out there it is a matter of trust also. I have relative trust in using Firefox compared to other browsers.

[swh]

That is absolutely understandable. I’ll have to see how Zen runs with Arkenfox user.js. Or whether zen could be used at all afterwards

[milkytwix]

Forcing an UI “change” onto users is really the Apple way - that enough is the reason for me not to check it out. Every other browser has bookmarks on top. What’s wrong with those devs? Let’s change it to be different? Nope, not my browser.

[swh]

Arkenfox user.js, ublock origin and FirefoxMultiAccouintContainer. Runs like a charm

Well, the user interface takes some getting used to. But you can do everything the same way with Firefox.

[drunkenvicar]

@swh

Arkenfox user.js, ublock origin and FirefoxMultiAccouintContainer. Runs like a charm

your containers are doing the work methink. I thought arkenfox was weak medicine in Firefox. I always did a better job (about:config) myself. Being on Firefox anymore for is like being on windows anymore–always fighting. I thought Betterfox was better ‘medicine’ than Arken, but both blot out a lot of crap.
I gave up on FF and turned it over to Mullvad…but I can only blame myself—I have always been too lazy to learn/setup containers. I have no doubt you are running smoothly.