XLibre at 4 months: anyone using it?

[r0ckhopper]

@Mellow

To those pointing out that XLibre is “trashing” X11 and its devs which is against the Arch code of conduct… Ok, fine if you and the arch wiki admin view it that way. but why are other projects that do that fine then?

It’s simple - other projects don’t have a clear and libellous slagging off of other projects in their About and README. The timing of the deletion can be questioned (why now?), but it is a clear and unambiguous breach of the Arch Linux Code of Conduct.

@Mellow

just as an excample, gnome has done something like this multiple times.
One being that they claimed they dont know what XFCE is.

It was a comment by one individual. A stupid comment, even if intended as a joke, but only a comment, not a prominent part of GNOME’s About and README.

@Mellow

Wasnt it recently that some gnome devs also went after X11, being super happy to remove anything from x11 and also calling it x11ism to keep the middle click paste thing? Whenever they remove something that is left over in gnome from x11 they proudly say “goodbye x11” cant that be interpreted as toxic too? just asking.

They have made a development decision to concentrate their efforts on Wayland. The middle click proposal is being challenged. Removing x11 and replacing it with Wayland has been an explicit goal of GNOME for several years. “Goodbye x11” could also be seen as a celebration of a long & hard development effort.

@Mellow

Gnome is also not really friendly to its users, as any ticket from a user or contributer has to adhere their “my way or the highway philosophy”. any proposal or contribution will be rejected that goes against their way. They are not very open to ideas.
It is known that it isnt easy to work with them.

Absolutely! But that’s not a breach of the Arch Linux Code of Conduct.

@Mellow

i like having options, i like having alternatives should something with “the standard” not work

As a Xfce user I am happy that a fork of x11 exists. But based on the quality of previous commits to x11 by the lead XLibre developer, the regressions since the project has launched, and the combative & dishonest statements about x11, I’m not confident about its success. I would like it to suceed, but I’m sick of any valid criticism of it being framed as “political” and “Big Tech” (this is a general point, and not in any way directed at you @Mellow ).

@Mellow

I do not like when information gets lost.

Fair point. But the minimal information on that Wiki page can be restored if the XLibre project grows up and removes those sections from its About and README.

[MyNameIsRichard]

@r0ckhopper

But the minimal information on that Wiki page can be restored if the XLibre project grows up and removes those sections from its About and README.

I would say that’s pretty unlikely as it was a very angry fork. Maybe they’ll mellow with time though.

Edit: Typo

[r0ckhopper]

@MyNameIsRichard

Maybe they’ll mellow woth time though.

They need to if they are to get wider adoption and attract more (& better) developers. If you’re advocating for “meritocracy” as this project does, you prove your worth by being better and more widely used than x11, not by libelling it.