like till 2028 i bet
xlibre-xserver 25.1.3 is out
Maybe not if I decide to use Xfce with a Wayland WM like Mango (scrolling layout looks interesting).
I’m a bit sceptical of Duck-Duck’s analysis there. If it’s software rendering, I suspect the GPU is actually not being leveraged.
I’m not sure whats happening. With 2 xlibre and 2 x11 installs, if I play a game or watch videos the GPU spikes to 90% useage. The difference is, if I quit all aplications, the X11 GPU will drop to 10-20% while the Xlibre will remain at 90%. I waited and waited for it to clear whatever was cached … it never does, only a reboot clears it.
Xlibre was only an experiment of my curiosity. I don’t have any issues running X11 to force me to find alternatives. With the sqwuashed/malformed cursor in certain distros (including EOS), and now this AMD GPU issue, I’m creating issues that weren’t there before. I will follow along in the development with keen interest. I love the thought of an alternative to dwindling X11.
Interesting thread over on Arch, about the Xlibre Wiki page being removed: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=313153
Dumb that the wiki removed it in my opinion. there simply is no valid reason for it as the entry for itself definitly didnt break any rules whatsover, judging by the webarchive entry. Personal politics of the xlibre dev are no reason for deleting it, as far as i can judge the politics are nowhere to be found in the project itself. i think this says more about the arch wiki admin then the xlibre dev.
also the “there is no reason for xlibre to exist, therefore we dont need it” statements some put (read in multiple threads) are kind of stupid, since some devices dont play well with wayland or dont work at all, or sometimes a update hits and it stops working (speaking in experience on this one), so its nice to have an alternative, should things catch fire.
the arch wiki also has other things that probably 99.9% of people never touch yet its there, so the “not needed” part will never make sense in anyway.
really hope they figure this out as the arch wiki probably is one of the most complete linux encyclopedia out there, which most will always refer to.
“read the arch wiki” well if it isnt complete if stuff just gets randomly removed it will not work anymore, right? so i hope they figure it out and put it back into place and not continue to remove stuff they dont agree with. else this line wont roll off the keyboard like it used to anymore 
Could not agree more, well said. Having alternatives is what makes Linux/FOSS great.
There was, but the thread has been deleted now…
The Arch Linux Code of Conduct states:
Respect other operating systems and projects
Maligning other FOSS projects or distributions, or any other operating systems and their users is prohibited. The entire Arch team is happy to volunteer their time and energy to provide you with the Arch Linux distribution, documentation and forums. Kindly show respect toward the volunteers, users and communities of other projects, distributions and operating systems as well. Views, experiences and opinions are always welcome, but unproductive slander is not.
https://x11libre.net/#about includes the following:
This fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to eliminate competition of their own products. Classic “embrace, extend, extinguish” tactics.
I can see why this section could be interpreted as a breach of the Arch Linux Code of Conduct above.
I said webarchive. The very thing that the arch wiki had on the website themselves. Therefore, deleting this is nothing but withholding information.
And the Talk page for that Wiki entry says the following:
Deleted together with the associated page with reason: The Xlibre project goes against https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#respect and should not be listed on ArchWiki. See https://x11libre.net/#about
Which is the reason I gave above 
That specific xlibre Arch wiki page really brought nothing of value. xlibre is mentioned in an appropriate place in the Arch wiki, under the General Recommendations section:
And the General Recommendations section is linked at the conclusion of the Arch Installation Guide:
So anyone who is installing Arch Linux in the proper manner will see it and can make up their own mind as to whether it brings anything of value.
The README file that’s linked in the General Recommndations category gives explicit directions on installation in an Arch system. No information is being “withheld” in any way.
It’s still there, just got moved to Topics Going Nowhere.
I consider myself to be going somewhere (not sure where), so that’s why I missed it 
The removal of the XLibre wiki page is also being discussed on Reddit, where one of the mods states:
To iterate: The Archwiki removal reason is not about the personal opinions of a developer or the talk in their communities. It is about the XLibre project itself officially and glaringly smearing other open-source projects and developers, even announcing this as a primary purpose of the project. This is a clear violation of Arch Linux Code of Conduct.
Yeah, Reddit is not exactly the gold-standard of reasonable discussion. What I really don’t understand is…why now? Nothing that is being referenced from what the Xlibre dev posted is new, or even relatively new. As active as Arch is, this should be been handled when the Xlibre fork first happened.
That doesn’t seem to be a random reddit user but someone from the Arch team in the know. So the quality of arbitrary reddit user comments in general isn’t relevant here.
Everybody can fork everything at any moment for whatever reason. Should every distro have an opinion on everything immediately? Remember e.g. KWinFT - Pepperidge Farm remembers. Most of these forks go nowhere fast. It was addressed when people considered it relevant.
Since you’re so offended, I delete the entirety of my post.
@vazicebon
To be clear, i was not offended, i was sleeping. i do that sometimes. when i saw the email on my phone that you responded to me, your post was flagged. it was not me who flagged you.
Judging by the email preview, and that what is visible when i click on the edit icon, i dont care. i for one am able to respect other peoples opinion on whatever the topic may be. be it the xlibre dev, be it your opinion on it. especially i respect that the xlibre dev doesnt care who wants to help, as long as the code is good and you want to help he respects anyone. which cant be said of some other projects. if you dont like it, fine. use something else. i dont use it either, but as i said above, i like having an alternative should things catch fire.
To those pointing out that XLibre is “trashing” X11 and its devs which is against the Arch code of conduct… Ok, fine if you and the arch wiki admin view it that way. but why are other projects that do that fine then?
just as an excample, gnome has done something like this multiple times.
One being that they claimed they dont know what XFCE is. They are also overall not friendly to other DEs. (they wanted to remove or block gnome dev tools on other DEs or something, dont remember anymore excacly)
Wasnt it recently that some gnome devs also went after X11, being super happy to remove anything from x11 and also calling it x11ism to keep the middle click paste thing? Whenever they remove something that is left over in gnome from x11 they proudly say “goodbye x11” cant that be interpreted as toxic too? just asking.
Gnome is also not really friendly to its users, as any ticket from a user or contributer has to adhere their “my way or the highway philosophy”. any proposal or contribution will be rejected that goes against their way. They are not very open to ideas.
It is known that it isnt easy to work with them.
just some excamples, if xlibre can get removed for stating a reason to why it exists (agree with it or not), than why is gnome with their behavior fine? they are doing this for a long time, and if i were to search for it, i would probably find more.
Not trashing on gnome, i dont want them to be removed, i am against any and all removal. but i think it isnt fair, that one has to go while other projects that have opinions are allowed to stay. I am just giving one popular excample.
To the one saying the wiki of xlibre brought nothing of value… well, the project isnt even a year old, do you think there will be as much to read as with a project that is like 30+ years old? I am pretty shure it was work in progress. And, again, in my book ANY removal of information/knowledge is BAD. If Information that someone might find useful gets lost that is bad.
Period.
Also, I will not feed this discussion anymore. I have said everything i wanted to say, you can all do with this information what you want but i do not like when stuff that i say gets misrepresented and a huge discussion arises that feels like a battleground where everyone fights to prove an opponent wrong. i dont like it. i dont want it.
As i said, and i will say it again, i like having options, i like having alternatives should something with “the standard” not work. I do not like when information gets lost. Not more, not less.
I’m sorry, the original post was addressed to you, the edited one is to the people who flagged my post for being offensive.
I gave you an answer in private.