Windows: Recall or not Recall

For those of us who still have a Windows machine, who are NOT interested in updating to the Recall version (24H2), this video MIGHT be of interest.

24H2 offers some improvements with Ryzen CPUs to my knowledge in regards to gaming (~10%). If you’re gaming on Windows 11 and you have a Ryzen CPU, especially 7000 series or 9000 series, you might want to update.

So the latest update to this can of worms, is that it seems Recall is now baked into file explorer. There is no way to remove it without killing that component. I’m sure Microsoft went to antitrust for far less in the past.

This probably explains it far better than I ever could.

As egregious as this is, I am in no way surprised that Microsoft would, in their infinite desire to slurp data, pull these kinds of shenanigans. As @winnyace said, - they’re not stupid, but that does not preclude them from being willfully dismissive of any ethical obligation to not treat their customers as anything other than a product and revenue point. This is the reason why I dumped them fully since v8. They do not have your best interests at heart, and they never have. Own your own compute experience, own your data.

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I agree with your message. I read about this last week or whenever this video was uploaded regarding Recall and Copilot being baked in. I knew this would happen which was why I ditched Windows the first time it was announced in May to get a chance to learn linux before it came to this and rushing last minute. And despite the opt-in being available for Europe, in the US and other countries it’s enabled by default and you have to opt out.

I think when it comes to companies they can be stupid and not stupid depending on context or perspective. Microsoft are not stupid in terms of benefiting their business, making money, and understanding their power they have over users and the computer industry, or the sectors they are in. Apple is the same, and Google, and Adobe too for example know what they are doing and leveraging their dominance.

However, the parts where these companies are stupid is they often push out half baked ideas that don’t fully work or rush things out for short term gain which the end users have to deal with, then they have to fall back and re-release again. Or they make mistakes there is no way companies that big should be making with their industry experience, which likely means they simply don’t care. Too me this is reckless and stupid from this context. And Microsoft is creating a lot of e-waste from their from hardware requirements (Even though you can bypass this) or recall/copilot requirements which is stupid in terms of damage to the climate from unsupported PCs, but Microsoft likely doesn’t care but it’s still stupid and reckless, business wise for them though it’s not stupid if they are successful and this goes their way. And Microsofts bad UI, among other things, is another area where they make stupid decisions as they can’t seem to ever decide how they want it to look.

To me I don’t think people here in the thread or in general are wrong on all sides, I think most comments are mostly focused from our perspective or non-business context of Microsoft, which I agree with. But in terms of Microsoft, they definitely know what they are doing and not stupid, which makes them more dangerous because being that big has a lot of responsibility attached and they just don’t care and lack ethics even if it is not stupid for them to do it for their own gain. And only a vocal minority complain or even know about what Microsoft does and they know it so they are still able to do almost whatever they want.

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Ultimately the choice remains the consumer’s whether private or enterprise.

If introducing things like Recall do not result in a sizeable market shift to competing platforms, then things like Recall stay. If consumers continue to use Windows based devices, grumbling, or apathy won’t change anything.

These are the people whom make me the angriest when it comes to continuing to use proprietary apps/services vs open source alternatives.

If you can change something and gain more control, then do it. Stop using the act of complaining as a hit of dopamine. :grey_exclamation::nose:

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Microsoft Recall is NOT Mandatory?!?

Windows 11 24H2 LTSC ~ The BEST Version of Windows?