Windows lets you now to access your Linux filesystem, but

Without any proof based on hard facts, I don’t think exercising “common sense” would get one any closer to the truth of the matter. That is if Windows will use WSL behind the users’ back to access their Linux partitions.

Long history of M$ collecting and selling your data will show direction of truth, until there is something which tells otherwise :upside_down_face:

But technically yes, i’m waiting for the news :laughing:

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I thought the principle was “not guilty until proven otherwise”.

This makes more sense. Common or otherwise.

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Would you advise your child to sit in a room with known mass-murderer, who just got out of jail?
I wouldn’t, coz if / when he kills my child - it will be too late. :slight_smile:

Again, technically you’re right, and we all waiting…
But why not advise to keep away by default unless it is really needed for some reason?

I mean, Windows 10 is not nice in any way shape or form, but this is potentially real danger for Linux dual-boots, coz you can’t “sandbox” it anymore on same system, unless it’s in VM.

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I look at it more as MS HAS been found guilty of those types of things in the past, and:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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That is kind of a drastic analogy. I would be cautious in this case. But I couldn’t judge the person beforehand for any possible future crime he or she might possibly commit.

Some users do need it for some personal reasons as the user here


It is not up to me to advice them against doing so because Windows

without us knowing if it “actually” is. That is without enabling WSL. Do we know for fact that it is an actual danger to Linux even with WSL enabled?

And let’s get things clear. I am in no way a fan of Windows or defending it here. But I need hard facts to make up my mind for or against something.

I mean, we’ll see it anyway, but…

Few more rhetorical questions:

  1. Would you trust company with history of M$, on system which can get full admin access with WSL feature exploit, from basically 0 day?
    https://www.recon.cx/2018/brussels/resources/slides/RECON-BRX-2018-Linux-Vulnerabilities_Windows-Exploits--Escalating-Privileges-with-WSL.pdf
  1. Knowing fact 1, would you trust such system with perfectly working Linux and data inside it, knowing that WSL can access Linux partitions?

  2. Even if it was fixed by now, wouldn’t it be wise to not rely on such huge privileges of Windows 10 WSL, which potentially will always be vulnerability, by the fact of having access to Linux data from extremely vulnerable Windows 10, which sells your data to alphabet agencies / ad companies / whatever else 3rd party?

I hear you :wink: :laughing:

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There are all reasons to be cautious. I am not arguing against that. But until there are some actual reported cases that there are one or another form of exploatation going on with or without WSL enabled in a dual boot system, the only thing we are left with, to base are judgement on, is a shady past.

By the way, I don’t think the “average user” will ever enable that feature at all. Let alone using it to access other Linux partitions on the system.

True, that if we don’t count fact of Windows 10 changing settings (including explicitly set ones) / installing software on it’s own. So i wouldn’t include user at all as a part of problem :laughing:

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Undeniably, you got an undeniable point there.
:slightly_smiling_face:

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I’ve said this before and time will prove me correct

https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/dont-shoot-the-messenger/8458/15

Quick shut gate and block the Win$

Just don’t use windoze. If you are kind to your computer, it will repay that kindness and serve you selflessly for many years. Installing windoze is the opposite of that, it’s like giving your computer cancer.

If you think you must use windoze for some bizarre reason (you really don’t, but I can’t convince you of that), at least keep it contained in a VM. If that’s not possible for some reason, have a separate computer for it (one you don’t mind abusing), and preferably, keep it offline, so that the illness has no chance of spreading.

If your boss demands you use windoze, use it on a company laptop, not on your precious hardware.

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Yeah… I still dual boot without that because dual booting is easier for gaming than to set it up in Linux. I have no need to access Linux file systems from Windows nor, actually, access NTFS partitions from Linux.

No worries, Microsoft will access both Windows & Linux partitions for you, no need for consent or manual intervention!

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They might have some trouble with ZFS though - perhaps that’s another reason to use it? :grin:

(Actually, I think that WinXP in a VM is unlikely to get out of hand)

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Encrypt your Linux drives !!!

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Be careful with that. Some time ago I was testing Ext4 on a USB flash drive and when I pluged it to a windows machine it asked me if I want to “repair” that partition (a.k.a. I will delete everything and format it as NTFS :crazy_face:).

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I don’t give it any drive access beyond its own!

Most games work fine on Linux, and those that do not, frankly, you should not be playing anyway. There is no reason to use windoze.

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First of all the definition of “work fine” while having to use an emulator and maybe get the games you love to work fine is not the same for you as for me.

Second, judging other people’s gaming taste is not… a polite thing to do. I find myself almost exclusively playing Sims 4 (Origin) and Forza Horizon 4 (Xbox / Xbox App) these days.

And third, again, HDD space is basically free. It is, objectively, quicker and easier to just dual boot.

(Another subject, of course, is the fact that I am not in any way an open source fundie. I, quite honestly, don’t give more than a minor thought about if something is open source or not and is quite vocal about the fact that Windows 10 is the best DE out there with OSX as a close second. Nothing Linux has can really compete, objectively. Gnome is… getting there, but is still about 10 years behind from a reliability and functionality standpoint.
Also, don’t get me started on all the memes about “Windows 10 updates break everything” that keeps being posted on Linux reddits and forums… It only outs those people as either lying to make themselves or as completely computer iliterate.)

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