Unable to Update!

[limotux]

I am trying to update my system:

[limo@asus ~]$ yay -Syyu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 endeavouros                                                              30.8 KiB  70.5 KiB/s 00:00 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 core                                                                    153.3 KiB   246 KiB/s 00:01 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 extra                                                                  1762.3 KiB   632 KiB/s 00:03 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 community                                                                 7.2 MiB   856 KiB/s 00:09 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 multilib                                                                161.3 KiB   264 KiB/s 00:01 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
:: Searching AUR for updates...
:: Searching databases for updates...
 -> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: k2pdfopt
:: 37 Packages to upgrade/install.
37  core/gpgme                            1.19.0-3         -> 1.20.0-1
36  core/pam                              1.5.2-1          -> 1.5.2-2
35  core/python-gpgme                     1.19.0-3         -> 1.20.0-1
34  extra/apache                          2.4.56-1         -> 2.4.57-1
33  extra/chromium                        112.0.5615.121-1 -> 112.0.5615.165-1
32  extra/firefox                         112.0-1          -> 112.0.1-1

I won’t post everything unless it is needed, It is too much!
Then I get as well:

5  extra/python-trove-classifiers        2023.3.9-1       -> 2023.4.18-1
14  extra/smbclient                       4.18.1-1         -> 4.18.2-1
13  community/bazel                       6.1.1-1          -> 6.1.2-1
12  community/calibre                     6.15.1-2         -> 6.16.0-1
11  community/coin-or-cbc                 2.10.9-1         -> 2.10.10-1
10  community/haskell-pandoc              3.0.1-33         -> 3.0.1-34
 9  community/haskell-pandoc-lua-engine   0.1-43           -> 0.1-44
 8  community/haskell-pandoc-server       0.1-45           -> 0.1-46
 7  community/haskell-yaml                0.11.11.0-10     -> 0.11.11.0-11
 6  community/pandoc-cli                  0.1-51           -> 0.1-52
 5  community/python-py7zr                0.20.4-1         -> 0.20.5-1
 4  community/virtualbox                  7.0.6-3          -> 7.0.8-1
 3  community/virtualbox-guest-iso        7.0.6-1          -> 7.0.8-1
 2  community/virtualbox-host-dkms        7.0.6-3          -> 7.0.8-1
 1  aur/virtualbox-ext-oracle             7.0.6-3          -> 7.0.8-1
==> Packages to exclude: (eg: "1 2 3", "1-3", "^4" or repo name)
 -> Excluding packages may cause partial upgrades and break systems
==> 

:: Synchronizing package databases...
 endeavouros                                                              30.8 KiB  69.9 KiB/s 00:00 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 core                                                                    153.3 KiB   146 KiB/s 00:01 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 extra                                                                  1762.3 KiB   761 KiB/s 00:02 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 community                                                                 7.2 MiB  1254 KiB/s 00:06 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 multilib                                                                161.3 KiB   134 KiB/s 00:01 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: installing virtualbox (7.0.8-1) breaks dependency 'virtualbox=7.0.6' required by virtualbox-ext-oracle
 -> Failed to install layer, rolling up to next layer.error:error installing repo packages
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 endeavouros                                                              30.8 KiB  64.9 KiB/s 00:00 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 core                                                                    153.3 KiB   254 KiB/s 00:01 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 extra                                                                  1762.3 KiB   533 KiB/s 00:03 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 community                                                                 7.2 MiB   888 KiB/s 00:08 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
 multilib                                                                161.3 KiB   263 KiB/s 00:01 [-----------------------------------------------------------] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: installing virtualbox (7.0.8-1) breaks dependency 'virtualbox=7.0.6' required by virtualbox-ext-oracle
 -> error installing repo packages
error installing repo packages
[limo@asus ~]$ 

I wonder what’s wrong, is it virtualbox? Should I uninstall it and reinstall, downgrade it?
Anybody else encountering this issue?!

UPDATE: Tried pacman:

[limo@asus ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 endeavouros is up to date
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: installing virtualbox (7.0.8-1) breaks dependency 'virtualbox=7.0.6' required by virtualbox-ext-oracle
[limo@asus ~]$ 

[fbodymechanic]

@limotux

I wonder what’s wrong, is it virtualbox

It tells you explicitly what is wrong - it breaks a dependency.

You probably just need to wait a bit. One thing may have updated that now causes the next thing to need. It is probably even flagged out of date on the AUR, or if it’s not you can.

More importantly, you should not be running yay -Syyu. Yay alone is all you need 99% of the time unless you’re updating mirrors.

[Stagger_Lee]

Remove virtualbox-ext-oracle

Update the system.

Reinstall virtualbox-ext-oracle

[r0ckhopper]

@limotux

virtualbox-ext-oracle

The AUR package has now been updated to v7.0.8-1.

As @Stagger_Lee suggests the least painful way to update is removing virtualbox-ext-oracle, updattng, and then reinstalling it.

[limotux]

@Stagger_Lee

Remove virtualbox-ext-oracle

Update the system.

Reinstall virtualbox-ext-oracle

Done, but the naughty me removed virtualbox-ext-oracle then installed then did the update and it went fine!
I wonder why didn’t it update as usual with yay!?
Do I have something wrong with my system?

[dalto]

@limotux

I wonder why didn’t it update as usual with yay!?
Do I have something wrong with my system?

That is the deal with AUR packages. You need to manage rebuilding them.

Do you even need the extensions?

[Stagger_Lee]

Between the terminal output you posted earlier, and @r0ckhopper’s reply, you should be able to figure this out.

Meanwhile:

@fbodymechanic

you should not be running yay -Syyu

You have been told this at least 4 times in the past:

@I0F

The double yy in -Syyu also is not needed. Those flags are handed down to pacman by yay. It forces a refresh of the pacman database, even if nothing has changed. That is usually not necessary and puts more stress on a repo than it needs to.

@dalto

Unless you are using a mirror that is severely broken(no out of date, but broken), there is no need to use -Syyu when switching mirrors. -Syu or in your case just yay is sufficient.

@dalto

Also, stop using -Syyu. That puts extra load on the mirrors for no purpose.

@dalto

You don’t need the two "y"s. That wastes mirror bandwidth.

[limotux]

@dalto

That is the deal with AUR packages. You need to manage rebuilding them.

Me rebuild AUR packages?! extensions? What extensions!
Sorry, I do not understand.
Do I need to do anything to fix this so it would not happen again?
What extensions you mean?

[limotux]

@fbodymechanic

you should not be running yay -Syyu

OK, I will be doing just yay! I tried it and it updates the system. Maybe I got it somewhere when I started with Arch based distros.
From now on it will be just yay.
Thank you.

[dalto]

@limotux

Me rebuild AUR packages?!

Yes, that is what happens when you use yay. It builds a package.

@limotux

extensions? What extensions!

The package virtualbox-ext-oracle are the non-free extensions to virtualbox. I am asking if you need that package at all.

@limotux

Do I need to do anything to fix this so it would not happen again?

It will happen again. That is how AUR packages work when they have fixed version dependencies.

[limotux]

@dalto

asking if you need that package at all.

I just installed it to have the possiblity to use USB in the virtual machine(s)

@dalto

Yes, that is what happens when you use yay. It builds a package.

I understand now! Well, I use yay because it updates packages installed from all repos including AUR.

@dalto

It will happen again.

Oooooops! But… AUR has some packages that I might need (some packages that I actually use and didn’t find in pacman repos!, I think most users use AUR.
There should be a way to avoid it I hope. Any?
I do not mind sticking to main repos.
Here are my “foreign” apps on my system:

[limo@asus ~]$ pacman -Qme
aspell-ar 1.2-1
btrfs-assistant 1.8-1
btrfsmaintenance 0.5-2
cnrdrvcups-lb 5.70-2
czkawka-gui 5.1.0-1
(UNINSTALLED -> debtap 3.5.1-1)
dropbox 170.4.5895-1
googler 4.3.13-1
gstreamer0.10-base-plugins 0.10.36-13
(UNINSTALLED -> k2pdfopt 2.53-1)
kio_recoll 1.34.0-1
kopia-bin 0.12.1-1
kopia-ui-bin 0.12.1-2
ocrmypdf 14.1.0-1
pup 0.4.0-3
python38 3.8.16-3
rslsync 2.7.3-1
(UNINSTALLED -> virtualbox-ext-oracle 7.0.8-1)
[limo@asus ~]$ 

I would for sure welcome any suggestions to downgrade (if available in pacman). or use alternative if possible.
But this might be another topic though I do not mind getting feedback here as it is related anyway to the main topic and title of this thread.

[anon11595408]

The package " downgrade " is available in the EnOS repos. Not sure what you want to use it for as your issue is solved. For further questions regarding problems you encounter it would be good to open another thread, as usual.

[limotux]

@anon11595408

The package " downgrade " is available in the EnOS repos. Not sure what you want to use it for

I was just thinking, probably the most recent version of some apps might be in AUr, but perhaps older versions can be installed through pacman from main repos.

[anon11595408]

That is generically false, imo.
Repos are always the latest packages in Arch. AUR-builds depend on these, as they incorporate them. So AUR-packages have to be behind in time, at least somewhat, if not weeks, or even months in some cases…

[limotux]

@anon11595408

So AUR-packages have to be behind in time, at least somewhat, if not weeks, or even months in some cases…

Thanks for clarification.
I am looking now at my “foreign” apps, trying to find alternatives as much as I can to reduce the possibilities of encountering the same situation again!

[dalto]

@limotux

Oooooops! But… AUR has some packages that I might need (some packages that I actually use and didn’t find in pacman repos!, I think most users use AUR.

Two things:

• This isn’t really a problem. It is just a normal part of managing your system.
• This doesn’t impact all AUR packages. Only the ones with specific version dependencies.

[limotux]

@dalto

Two things:

• This isn’t really a problem. It is just a normal part of managing your system.
• This doesn’t impact all AUR packages. Only the ones with specific version dependencies.

Sure, I understand now thanks to all of you. You will notice I am reviewing all AUR packages I have and uninstalling some of them.

[fbodymechanic]

@limotux

There should be a way to avoid it I hope. Any?

Ya, don’t update every 15 minutes. And If you update- and you get this issue. . . just wait and it will get updated. I mean, it’s pretty easy to just wait until the AUR package gets updated . . . LOL.

@limotux

From now on it will be just yay.

You’ve been saying that since August. . . I’m a pretty terrible person and even I don’t flat out purposely waste the money of generous mirror maintainers. So, you’ve been told, informed, explained to about it, and yet. . . 8+ months later you’re STILL knowingly and purposely wasting someone else’s money. You can’t say you didn’t know. 99% sure you’ll get caught again in the future wasting everything that goes into maintaining and running a mirror.

Don’t tell us you’ll stop. Just stop. It’s literally easier for you to not waste resources.

[dalto]

@fbodymechanic

I mean, it’s pretty easy to just wait until the AUR package gets updated

That isn’t the issue.

The issue is that repo packages get updated before AUR packages. The repo packages fail to update because the AUR package has a hard dependency on a fixed version.

This is only an issue with a small percentage of AUR packages that have dependencies on specific versions of repo packages.

[limotux]

@fbodymechanic

You can’t say you didn’t know. 99% sure you’ll get caught again in the future wasting everything that goes into maintaining and running a mirror.

I admit it yes… it was like a habit, but well, I finally got a clean:

[limo@asus ~]$ yay
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 endeavouros is up to date
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 multilib is up to date
:: Searching AUR for updates...
:: Searching databases for updates...
 there is nothing to do
[limo@asus ~]$ 

You notice it is only yay!