You just can’t quit can you. Always think you have to be right or get the last word in. There will always be people who disagree. Doesn’t matter to me because I have my own view and you or no one else is going to change that.
To everyone - please don’t derail this thread and stay on topic of UK and worldwide movements to destroy privacy, it’s far too important for people to see.
@ricklinux especially you, and just in case - i don’t mean don’t talk, you’ve given your thesis in lengthy fashion for everyone who wants to agree or disagree, but there’s absolutely no need to repeat your classical shitck “law is the law because it’s the law” until thread will get mad and get closed like it were before with other ones.
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Yes, this topic is so important that even keybreak has refrained from spamming it with his childish clown gifs.
Oh, wait:
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I don’t think my 
gifs has derailed any thread before to the point of pissing people off and closing it…but point taken 
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All i have been saying is this is the statement from our Country with respect to Public Safety when it comes to End to End Encryption. This is what has been put forward in the planning to implement new laws. My view is it has been needed for a long time. Laws regarding the internet and social media platforms need to be upgraded. This isn’t the 90’s. People can not like it, people can disagree but many countries have collaborated and agreed on certain standards and laws and implementations will be made as time goes on and things may and will change as necessary. I think it’s a good thing for many protections in society that need to be looked at. It’s not about taking away freedoms. To me it is a logical step in trying to stop criminal activity and protect people.
Edit: They are also trying to protect peoples privacy but not when it comes to criminal activity using encryption as a means to hide it.
Enlighten us, what are technological changes since 90s regarding end to end encryption or criminal behavior that requires special treatment?
If you could point to me how more people will have freedom after this than before this law, I will be significantly more inclined to be interested in this law. I just can’t fathom that to be true from what we know about it. I always side with more freedom for more people. I want what provides freedom to as near 100% if populace as possible. Never less.
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Tell me, anyone here think that this law is somehow related to digital currency ?
If this law is applied along with digital currency, do you see where we are going ?
Not trying to change the subject here, but for me it is clear as water, it is about control, such as there is already in another country in the other side of the world.
Or perhaps I’m just thinking too much and lost myself somewhere ?
Just trying to get a better picture here.
You mean like when they’ll introduce CBDC worldwide and to prevent black market of normal crypto to exist in mainstream?
I doubt it just because when CBDC will be introduced worldwide they’ll control 99,99% of everyone’s income, transactions and “spent limits” as well as ability to have any income, because only non-blackmarket currency will be CBDC, so you won’t be able to really buy food or some basic stuff without it, outside of shady alley for Monero on your fully FOSS RISC-V device or something…
Problem with that they’ll know who you are even then, coz if there’s some shady trying to buy bread and milk in shady alley from some shady dealer…chances are it’s @keybreak
I don’t think that is true. I think corrupted men are the ones who are most attracted to power.
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hmmm, that is interesting, never thought about it in that way…
Perhaps that is true…
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Are you kidding me? It isn’t about that. It’s about using encryption for criminal activity. It’s about being able to protect users.
Then don’t mention 90s for no reason.
Just so you know It was done in exactly the same fashion in 90s, widely available PGP exist since 1991, and Diffie–Hellman key exchange is a thing since 1976, so “private” programs might exist even earlier.
Not to mention that feds were abusing children much earlier than you’ve heard the term “encryption” and “internet”.
Yeah sure i am sick one here…
I’m so sick that YOU and anyone else can read multiple proven court cases of people in US, UK and German government / feds getting away with that insane crap, if you can stomach the reality.
But i am the sick one.
We talk about the same people that “will think” about your privacy and children.
ricklinux, please, don’t take anything of this personal, we all are giving our opinions, respecting each other.
I personally find you as a very valuable user in this community and I would never try to make trouble, even more with you.
I respect you and your view about this, and any other matters.
And I’m sure that I’m not the only who has an appreciation for your presence here.
We just don’t agree in this subject, but hey, we are free to disagree 
I am taking it personal because it’s … nonsense. I tried to explain that our govt and our country has a view on this just like the US and many other countries including the UK. They have been work alongside many countries to implement changes and bring in new laws that not only protect peoples privacy but enable ways for platforms to have the ability, the resources and the laws to allow them to do this. Whether it’s protecting children or anyone else from predators and stopping criminal activity or having the ability to investigate it. It’s not about taking away peoples freedom or any of that garbage that’s being pushed here. I am taking it personal because i posted my view and somehow they think they have to convince me I’m wrong. I’m right in my belief because it’s nothing more than a law they are implementing and i agree with most of it. Maybe there are some things that may affect me that i may not like but so be it. Currently i don’t think so. It’s more to me about the protections it provides. Also it isn’t the 90’s where the internet was barely off the ground. We didn’t have what we have to day in the forms of hardware and software. There has to be forms of controls visa vi laws and such or it’s just a free for all and people are the ones that pay the price. Whether they be children or not.
Sure, I agree with you in most of what you said.
I disagree where they say that this is to help, to protect, for the children, to stop criminals.
That’s all.
As I see it, there are better ways to skin that cat, but they don’t want that, they want control.
We just want the same thing, but have different views about it.
Hey!
We don’t want to abuse cat here!
One sec, I’ll be right back
It’ is one way. Sure there are many others. It’s not about control but if we don’t have laws then there is no control and these social media platforms do what ever the hell they want with no consequences.