Oh boy! I can’t wait to download this big ol’ update here! Wait… not THAT big!
Vanilla pacman shows an update size that looks correct. YAY, though, shows no size estimate at all, and, based on half an hour of download progress, seems to want to download 50GiB of updates.
I’ll remain on Plasma 5 until I can explained this, in case it’s a symptom of something important that should be fixed. Any ideas?
What packages do you have from the AUR?
Can you share a screenshot of what you are referring to?
There is no way it should be 50GiB unless there is some crazy stuff installed.
I think I have a normal amount of stuff from the AUR. Here is what I see when I run yay again:
aidan 18:13 ~
-> yay
[sudo] password for aidan:
:: Synchronizing package databases...
endeavouros is up to date
core is up to date
extra 8.4 MiB 116 KiB/s 01:14 [----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------] 100%
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Searching AUR for updates...
:: Searching databases for updates...
-> libx11: ignoring package upgrade (1.8.4-1 => 1.8.7-1)
-> Packages not in AUR: baloo5 khotkeys kpeoplevcard kquickcharts5 kuserfeedback5 libblockdev-utils
-> Orphan (unmaintained) AUR Packages: ksysguard
-> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: hourglass huiontablet tidal-hifi-appimage
:: 10 dependencies will also be installed for this operation.
extra/clang -> 16.0.6-2
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/gn -> 0.2143.a2e2717e-1
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/gperf -> 3.1-5
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/http-parser -> 2.9.4-1
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/lld -> 16.0.6-1
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/llvm -> 16.0.6-1
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/nodejs-lts-hydrogen -> 18.18.2-2
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/patchutils -> 0.4.2-2
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/python-httplib2 -> 0.22.0-4
(make dependency of electron25)
extra/yarn -> 1.22.21-1
(make dependency of electron25)
:: 147 packages to upgrade/install.
147 endeavouros/eos-settings-plasma 1.5-1 -> 1.6-1
146 endeavouros/yay 12.3.0-1 -> 12.3.1-1
145 core/cryptsetup 2.7.0-1 -> 2.7.0-3
144 core/device-mapper 2.03.23-1 -> 2.03.23-3
143 core/fakeroot 1.33-2 -> 1.34-1
142 core/hwdata 0.379-1 -> 0.380-1
141 core/kmod 31-1 -> 32-1
140 core/libelf 0.190-2 -> 0.191-1
139 core/linux-headers 6.7.7.arch1-1 -> 6.7.8.arch1-1
138 core/lvm2 2.03.23-1 -> 2.03.23-3
137 core/mdadm 4.3-1 -> 4.3-2
136 core/psmisc 23.6-1 -> 23.7-1
135 core/python 3.11.7-1 -> 3.11.8-1
134 core/shadow 4.14.5-1 -> 4.14.6-1
133 core/systemd 255.4-1 -> 255.4-2
132 core/systemd-libs 255.4-1 -> 255.4-2
131 core/systemd-sysvcompat 255.4-1 -> 255.4-2
130 extra/accounts-qml-module 0.7-4 -> 0.7-6
129 extra/ark 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
128 extra/audiocd-kio 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
127 extra/baloo-widgets 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
126 extra/bluedevil 1:5.27.10-3 -> 1:6.0.1-1
125 extra/breeze 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-3
124 extra/breeze-gtk 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1.1-1
123 extra/breeze-icons 5.115.0-1 -> 6.0.0-1
122 extra/discord 0.0.43-1 -> 0.0.44-1
121 extra/dolphin 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
120 extra/dragon 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
119 extra/electron27 27.3.4-1 -> 27.3.5-1
118 extra/elisa 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
117 extra/firefox 123.0-1 -> 123.0.1-1
116 extra/github-cli 2.44.1-1 -> 2.45.0-1
115 extra/glslang 14.0.0-1 -> 14.0.0-2
114 extra/go 2:1.22.0-1 -> 2:1.22.1-1
113 extra/gwenview 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-3
112 extra/hwdetect 2024.02.05-1 -> 2024.03.05-1
111 extra/iniparser 4.1-4 -> 4.1-5
110 extra/iwd 2.15-1 -> 2.16-1
109 extra/kaccounts-integration 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
108 extra/kactivitymanagerd 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
107 extra/kamoso 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
106 extra/kate 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
105 extra/kcolorpicker-qt5 0.3.0-3 -> 0.3.1-4
104 extra/kde-cli-tools 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
103 extra/kde-gtk-config 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
102 extra/kdeconnect 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-2
101 extra/kdecoration 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
100 extra/kdeplasma-addons 5.27.10-2 -> 6.0.1-1
99 extra/kglobalaccel5 5.115.0-1 -> 5.115.0-3
98 extra/kguiaddons5 5.115.0-1 -> 5.115.0-2
97 extra/kimageannotator-qt5 0.7.0-3 -> 0.7.1-2
96 extra/kinfocenter 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
95 extra/kio-extras 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
94 extra/kio-fuse 5.1.0-1 -> 5.1.0-3
93 extra/kio5 5.115.0-1 -> 5.115.0-3
92 extra/kmenuedit 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
91 extra/konsole 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
90 extra/kpipewire 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1.1-1
89 extra/kpmcore 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
88 extra/kscreen 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
87 extra/kscreenlocker 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
86 extra/ksystemstats 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
85 extra/kwallet-pam 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
84 extra/kwallet5 5.115.0-1 -> 5.115.0-2
83 extra/kwin 5.27.10-2 -> 6.0.1-1
82 extra/layer-shell-qt 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
81 extra/libaccounts-qt 1.16-3 -> 1.16-5
80 extra/libblockdev 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
79 extra/libblockdev-crypto 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
78 extra/libblockdev-fs 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
77 extra/libblockdev-loop 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
76 extra/libblockdev-mdraid 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
75 extra/libblockdev-nvme 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
74 extra/libblockdev-part 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
73 extra/libblockdev-swap 3.1.0-1 -> 3.1.0-2
72 extra/libkcddb5 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
71 extra/libkcompactdisc 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
70 extra/libkdcraw5 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
69 extra/libkexiv2 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
68 extra/libkscreen 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
67 extra/libksysguard 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
66 extra/liblouis 3.28.0-1 -> 3.29.0-1
65 extra/libnewt 0.52.23-2 -> 0.52.24-1
64 extra/libnice 0.1.21-2 -> 0.1.22-1
63 extra/libopenmpt 0.7.3-1 -> 0.7.4-1
62 extra/libsodium 1.0.19-2 -> 1.0.19-3
61 extra/libtar 1.2.20-6 -> 1.2.20-7
60 extra/libxdmcp 1.1.4-2 -> 1.1.5-1
59 extra/lightdm-gtk-greeter 1:2.0.8-3 -> 1:2.0.9-1
58 extra/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings 1.2.2-8 -> 1.2.3-1
57 extra/lsof 4.99.0-1 -> 4.99.3-1
56 extra/milou 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
55 extra/nodejs 21.6.2-1 -> 21.7.0-1
54 extra/okular 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-2
53 extra/openjpeg2 2.5.0-3 -> 2.5.2-1
52 extra/opus 1.4-1 -> 1.5.1-1
51 extra/oxygen-sounds 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
50 extra/partitionmanager 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
49 extra/pcsclite 2.0.2-1 -> 2.0.3-1
48 extra/phonon-qt5 4.12.0-3 -> 4.12.0-4
47 extra/plasma-desktop 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
46 extra/plasma-disks 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
45 extra/plasma-framework5 5.115.0-1 -> 5.115.0-3
44 extra/plasma-integration 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-2
43 extra/plasma-nm 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
42 extra/plasma-pa 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
41 extra/plasma-workspace 5.27.10-2 -> 6.0.1-1
40 extra/polkit-kde-agent 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
39 extra/powerdevil 5.27.10-2 -> 6.0.1-1
38 extra/print-manager 23.08.5-1 -> 1:6.0.1-1
37 extra/protobuf 25.2-1 -> 25.3-1
36 extra/pulseaudio-qt 1.4.0-1 -> 1.4.0-3
35 extra/purpose5 5.115.0-1 -> 5.115.0-3
34 extra/python-dateutil 2.9.0-1 -> 2.9.0-2
33 extra/python-trove-classifiers 2024.2.22-1 -> 2024.3.3-1
32 extra/rtmpdump 1:2.4.r99.f1b83c1-2 -> 1:2.4.r105.6f6bb13-1
31 extra/sddm 0.20.0-4 -> 0.21.0-4
30 extra/sddm-kcm 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
29 extra/sdl2 2.30.0-1 -> 2.30.1-1
28 extra/signon-kwallet-extension 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-1
27 extra/signon-plugin-oauth2 0.25-1 -> 0.25-3
26 extra/signon-ui 0.17+20171022-3 -> 0.17+20231016-2
25 extra/signond 8.61-1 -> 8.61-3
24 extra/socat 1.7.4.4-1 -> 1.8.0.0-1
23 extra/sof-firmware 2023.12-1 -> 2023.12.1-1
22 extra/spectacle 23.08.5-1 -> 24.02.0-2
21 extra/suitesparse 7.6.0-1 -> 7.6.1-1
20 extra/syntax-highlighting5 5.115.0-1 -> 5.115.0-2
19 extra/systemsettings 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
18 extra/tcl 8.6.13-1 -> 8.6.14-1
17 extra/thunderbird 115.8.0-1 -> 115.8.1-1
16 extra/tk 8.6.13-2 -> 8.6.14-1
15 extra/udisks2 2.10.1-3 -> 2.10.1-4
14 extra/vulkan-headers 1:1.3.276-1 -> 1:1.3.279-1
13 extra/vulkan-icd-loader 1.3.276-1 -> 1.3.279-1
12 extra/wavpack 5.6.0-1 -> 5.7.0-1
11 extra/xdg-desktop-portal-kde 5.27.10-1 -> 6.0.1-1
10 extra/xorg-xauth 1.1.2-1 -> 1.1.3-1
9 extra/xorg-xmessage 1.0.6-1 -> 1.0.7-1
8 multilib/lib32-amdvlk 2024.Q1.1-1 -> 2024.Q1.2-1
7 multilib/lib32-keyutils 1.6.3-1 -> 1.6.3-2
6 multilib/lib32-libdrm 2.4.119-1 -> 2.4.120-1
5 multilib/lib32-libelf 0.190-1 -> 0.191-1
4 multilib/lib32-sdl2 2.30.0-1 -> 2.30.1-1
3 multilib/lib32-vulkan-icd-loader 1.3.276-1 -> 1.3.279-1
2 aur/brave-bin 1:1.63.165-1 -> 1:1.63.169-1
1 aur/electron25 25.9.8-4 -> 25.9.8-5
==> Packages to exclude: (eg: "1 2 3", "1-3", "^4" or repo name)
-> Excluding packages may cause partial upgrades and break systems
==>
AUR Dependency (1): electron25-25.9.8-5
AUR Explicit (1): brave-bin-1:1.63.169-1
Sync Dependency (97): rtmpdump-1:2.4.r105.6f6bb13-1, kactivitymanagerd-6.0.1-1, baloo-widgets-24.02.0-1, pcsclite-2.0.3-1, kmod-32-1, milou-6.0.1-1, iniparser-4.1-5, openjpeg2-2.5.2-1, plasma-integration-6.0.1-2, suitesparse-7.6.1-1, socat-1.8.0.0-1, lib32-keyutils-1.6.3-2, libtar-1.2.20-7, libkscreen-6.0.1-1, libblockdev-loop-3.1.0-2, lib32-libdrm-2.4.120-1, kguiaddons5-5.115.0-2, kmenuedit-6.0.1-1, libaccounts-qt-1.16-5, sddm-0.21.0-4, syntax-highlighting5-5.115.0-2, libblockdev-3.1.0-2, signon-plugin-oauth2-0.25-3, libkdcraw5-24.02.0-1, libnice-0.1.22-1, kio-extras-24.02.0-1, electron27-27.3.5-1, libblockdev-mdraid-3.1.0-2, hwdata-0.380-1, kwin-6.0.1-1, kde-cli-tools-6.0.1-1, vulkan-headers-1:1.3.279-1, accounts-qml-module-0.7-6, psmisc-23.7-1, opus-1.5.1-1, python-dateutil-2.9.0-2, libxdmcp-1.1.5-1, libkcompactdisc-24.02.0-1, libblockdev-swap-3.1.0-2, liblouis-3.29.0-1, breeze-icons-6.0.0-1, libkexiv2-24.02.0-1, libblockdev-crypto-3.1.0-2, libopenmpt-0.7.4-1, xorg-xmessage-1.0.7-1, libkcddb5-24.02.0-1, libnewt-0.52.24-1, kio5-5.115.0-3, polkit-kde-agent-6.0.1-1, xdg-desktop-portal-kde-6.0.1-1, oxygen-sounds-6.0.1-1, libblockdev-part-3.1.0-2, layer-shell-qt-6.0.1-1, libsodium-1.0.19-3, libblockdev-fs-3.1.0-2, libelf-0.191-1, kscreenlocker-6.0.1-1, protobuf-25.3-1, sdl2-2.30.1-1, breeze-6.0.1-3, lsof-4.99.3-1, signon-ui-0.17+20231016-2, pulseaudio-qt-1.4.0-3, glslang-14.0.0-2, go-2:1.22.1-1, libksysguard-6.0.1-1, kdecoration-6.0.1-1, tk-8.6.14-1, kpipewire-6.0.1.1-1, phonon-qt5-4.12.0-4, lib32-vulkan-icd-loader-1.3.279-1, purpose5-5.115.0-3, signon-kwallet-extension-24.02.0-1, ksystemstats-6.0.1-1, xorg-xauth-1.1.3-1, nodejs-21.7.0-1, plasma-workspace-6.0.1-1, kimageannotator-qt5-0.7.1-2, kpmcore-24.02.0-1, libblockdev-nvme-3.1.0-2, systemsettings-6.0.1-1, udisks2-2.10.1-4, lib32-libelf-0.191-1, signond-8.61-3, kwallet5-5.115.0-2, kcolorpicker-qt5-0.3.1-4, python-trove-classifiers-2024.3.3-1, vulkan-icd-loader-1.3.279-1, systemd-libs-255.4-2, kglobalaccel5-5.115.0-3, wavpack-5.7.0-1, kaccounts-integration-24.02.0-1, shadow-4.14.6-1, plasma-framework5-5.115.0-3, systemd-255.4-2, fakeroot-1.34-1, tcl-8.6.14-1
Sync Explicit (48): plasma-disks-6.0.1-1, lightdm-gtk-greeter-1:2.0.9-1, discord-0.0.44-1, lvm2-2.03.23-3, okular-24.02.0-2, firefox-123.0.1-1, kdeplasma-addons-6.0.1-1, hwdetect-2024.03.05-1, kwallet-pam-6.0.1-1, plasma-pa-6.0.1-1, dragon-24.02.0-1, sof-firmware-2023.12.1-1, plasma-desktop-6.0.1-1, partitionmanager-24.02.0-1, print-manager-1:6.0.1-1, eos-settings-plasma-1.6-1, iwd-2.16-1, kdeconnect-24.02.0-2, dolphin-24.02.0-1, lib32-sdl2-2.30.1-1, kamoso-24.02.0-1, lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings-1.2.3-1, kate-24.02.0-1, kscreen-6.0.1-1, yay-12.3.1-1, systemd-sysvcompat-255.4-2, sddm-kcm-6.0.1-1, cryptsetup-2.7.0-3, python-3.11.8-1, github-cli-2.45.0-1, audiocd-kio-24.02.0-1, gwenview-24.02.0-3, konsole-24.02.0-1, powerdevil-6.0.1-1, spectacle-24.02.0-2, kinfocenter-6.0.1-1, elisa-24.02.0-1, ark-24.02.0-1, thunderbird-115.8.1-1, linux-headers-6.7.8.arch1-1, kio-fuse-5.1.0-3, bluedevil-1:6.0.1-1, plasma-nm-6.0.1-1, mdadm-4.3-2, lib32-amdvlk-2024.Q1.2-1, kde-gtk-config-6.0.1-1, breeze-gtk-6.0.1.1-1, device-mapper-2.03.23-3
Sync Make Dependency (10): http-parser-2.9.4-1, patchutils-0.4.2-2, gn-0.2143.a2e2717e-1, python-httplib2-0.22.0-4, clang-16.0.6-2, lld-16.0.6-1, yarn-1.22.21-1, nodejs-lts-hydrogen-18.18.2-2, llvm-16.0.6-1, gperf-3.1-5
:: PKGBUILD up to date, skipping download: electron25
:: PKGBUILD up to date, skipping download: brave-bin
2 electron25 (Installed) (Build Files Exist)
1 brave-bin (Installed) (Build Files Exist)
==> Packages to cleanBuild?
==> [N]one [A]ll [Ab]ort [I]nstalled [No]tInstalled or (1 2 3, 1-3, ^4)
==>
2 electron25 (Installed) (Build Files Exist)
1 brave-bin (Installed) (Build Files Exist)
==> Diffs to show?
==> [N]one [A]ll [Ab]ort [I]nstalled [No]tInstalled or (1 2 3, 1-3, ^4)
==>
==> Making package: electron25 25.9.8-5 (Wed 06 Mar 2024 06:20:29 PM EST)
==> Retrieving sources...
-> Updating electron git repo...
remote: Enumerating objects: 61, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (61/61), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (28/28), done.
remote: Total 61 (delta 40), reused 46 (delta 33), pack-reused 0
Unpacking objects: 100% (61/61), 41.27 KiB | 2.17 MiB/s, done.
From https://github.com/electron/electron
+ 349fb619fb...e421763747 refs/pull/41358/merge -> refs/pull/41358/merge (forced update)
+ 462512862f...ccc0c20128 refs/pull/41369/merge -> refs/pull/41369/merge (forced update)
* [new tag] v29.1.1 -> v29.1.1
-> Found REVERT-disable-autoupgrading-debug-info.patch
-> Found add-some-typename-s-that-are-required-in-C-17.patch
-> Found default_app-icon.patch
-> Found electron-launcher.sh
-> Found electron.desktop
-> Found icu-74.patch
-> Found jinja-python-3.10.patch
-> Found libxml2-2.12.patch
-> Found random-fixes-for-gcc13.patch
-> Found std-vector-non-const.patch
-> Found use-system-libraries-in-node.patch
-> Found makepkg-source-roller.py
-> Cloning chromium-mirror git repo...
Cloning into bare repository '/home/aidan/.cache/yay/electron25/chromium-mirror'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 22475510, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (14339/14339), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (7366/7366), done.
Receiving objects: 0% (197477/22475510), 93.64 MiB | 2.24 MiB/ss
I think the latter part is it finding the previous download progress.
Does sudo pacman -R electron25 return any errors?
electron25 was removed without any errors.
Now try updating.
Your omnipresence is almost scary, dalto. YAY now presents an update size similar to vanilla pacman.
Would you be so inclined to elucidate your deduction, dear Holmes?
Many packages depend on a specific version of electron. As those packages are updated, the version number is updated. As they update the version of electron needed is also updated.
This often leads to a situation where you have an old version of electron that you no longer need. Those old versions stay on your system until you remove them. Eventually, those packages leave the repo and end up in AUR. However, once they hit AUR you are building them from source. Building electron from source brings down a huge repo since it is based on chromium. While it isn’t 50GB, it still can take a long time to clone a repo that large, especially over a slow connection. Once it is downloaded, you then have to build the whole thing from source which also can take a long time.
Removing that old version of electron you no longer need, stops that whole process from happening and leaves you with a normal update.
To avoid that in the future, you should check your system for orphans once in a while with yay -Yc
Thanks. I have been trimming orphans once or twice a year. Either this got missed, or I need to do it more often.
I also don’t remove orphans very often. However, whenever I update I review the packages that are being updated from AUR and make sure there isn’t something there that I didn’t install. When I see things that have dropped to AUR, I remove them before starting the update.
The term “orphan” is somewhat overloaded. There are two different things, in the context of Arch Linux Package Management, called “orphans”.
The first type of “orphan” is a former dependency, and unneeded package that was installed as a dependency for another package, but since became unnecessary, most likely because the package that depends on it was removed, or rarely, an update changed its dependencies. Those can be seen by running pacman -Qdt.
The second type of “orphan” is an entry on the AUR which does not currently have a maintainer. Those are pretty dangerous, especially if they are popular packages, because anyone can take them over and include something malicious in the next update.
It is possible that a package can an “orphan” in both of these meanings at the same time, having started as a repo package and a dependency for something, but became obsolete and was dropped to the AUR, where nobody took it over. Of course, that is quite rare. But it can be very sneaky if later a malicious person takes over the maintenance of the AUR package and injects malware in it. You’ve never explicitly installed that package, so you just update it, not suspecting anything,…
That’s why it’s a good idea to remove all unnecessary packages before updating. Not to mention, there’s fewer packages to download during an update.
KILL ALL THE ORPHANS!!!11111
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