The only issue I’ve had so far is without permission to override Wayland security flameshot doesn’t work.
No other Wayland specific issues here.
Note: I do not care about and will not use Nvidia (unless there’s a massive change) in anything I own. Therefore I do not care about how it works or is broken. Don’t buy Nvidia.
Yes flameshot is kind of wonky after moving to Wayland (like some in the thread I moved to Wayland in Gnome 3.38). Running on a laptop my life is much simpler compared to the rest of the community. If anything complications could happen with the docking station.
Like you, I put my money behind companies who support the end user community (e.g. AMD). I don’t understand why Nvidia took its stance, but then again I have been burned by hardware vendors since the 90s when they abandon operating systems.
One thing I have learned from the thread is a greater depth of what people are doing with their Linux systems.
For me … well I like tailoring Linux experience. I do loath having to boot my work Windows 10 machine. At one point I thought I could do most of my work (with Microsoft 365 and web based applications) in Linux. And well Microsoft decided to move away from Electron based applications to their propreitary Edge runtime. So the software churn is just there as technology goes its way.
I’m mostly game and media now. Sports. TV. Music. Photos. Pay bills and play games. Talk to all you clowns. Normal things
Unlike many in Linux I do nothing computer related for work. I’m just here because it’s cool.
And here does not require fertilization - although sometimes it seems to be available 
Sounds better than work. I just did some 6000 pounds of fertilization 2 weeks ago
All by yourself? Impressive! (kidding). Do you have a winter to worry about - or just a slow season?
Slow season is summer for play. Winter is more slow season agronomically. I always work 50-80 how’s a week depending on the week. And the only day we’re officially closed is Christmas, although I usually come in to check the pumps and walk my dog.
I know it’s time intensive - but I hope its rewarding in the ways that matter…
Back on topic - is Wayland more secure for spreading…?
It’s not really. I generally love what I do and I love doing it with my dog. I get paid well for my industry but that’s just because I’m at such a high level in a pricey area managing over 40 lol
I still can’t afford a house even with 2 incomes. So. Even in high school I had a job. College I had 2. And I’ve done this over 20 years.
I literally have no idea what it would be like to work a very short 40 hour week to compare it to. I know I feel like I’m doing something wrong if I leave after only 8. Someday I hope to have a part time job where I can live on like 40 hours a week. But I’ve given up hope that such a thing exists.
And back to Wayland.
That is too many any window, any program. One of the big security concerns in X11 is that it does not isolate apps. Any malicious application can log all keystrokes, can get to all copy/paste buffers, inject keystrokes to other apps etc.
I understand that this is not an issue for you. Because you need that functionality and you dont care about the security implications. That is fine. But regardless, any successor of X11 will most certainly isolate applications because that is best practice in the 21th century.
No it is not. Complete transparency of what applications are doing should be the default, which one can turn off for security sensitive applications. This is actually more secure, as it allows for easier detection of malicious applications.
The solution to that problem is to not have any malicious applications running, not to turn your computer into a lunatic asylum with padded walls.
Doesn’t seem like you do.
Yes, I do. I am just not deluded into thinking that Wayland improves security at all. If you have cleverly crafted malware running on your system, Wayland will not help you.
The problem I have with Wayland is that it forces me to write my programs like they are cleverly crafted malware, which is not only a terrible security practice, but also really annoying and not worth the effort.
Isolating applications is not a job of a compositor. If you want to isolate applications, the proper way to do this is using containers and virtualisation.
I want to disagree with that. Certainly containers and virtualization is the best way to do it. But the compositor can also help security a lot. If I have a banking app and put my pin number into it, I do not want any other app to record the keystrokes and get my pin number. And this can easily be prevented without virtualization or containers.
The fact you are running a banking “app” (which is almost certainly proprietary) outside of a virtual machine shows that you either do not know at all or do not care at all about security.
Wayland won’t help you very much in the long run.
Ok. Good. I knew that it does not make sense to say something in this thread. Shame on me that I did it anyways.
More than anything convincing anyone here is complete futile.
You really need to be having this argument with Wayland developers to sway them to start creating it like you see it. If you ever want it to be the reality, they are the ones who will need to change course, fairly abruptly and quite a change too. Although I would imagine they disagree with you, so you’ve got an uphill battle. I would start now if you ever want to see it happen.
The alternative would be to start asking x11 developers to fix clean and modernize their code so that you can keep the functionality you want. I don’t know which argument is easier, but we’re well on our way now down the Wayland train. Even they know if, so getting traction on this is probably pretty slim.
But it’s unlikely anyone here can help, even if we agree or not.
No, that’s pointless. They are completely unreasonable, traumatized people who can’t hear an argument. Working on X has damaged them beyond repair.
I’m not actually searching for a solution here. I just said that I am going to stop using Plasma because of Wayland and people lost their 
and are now either trying to convince me that I am wrong and that Wayland is not a complete dumpster fire and is actually SeCurE aNd SAfE tO uSe 𝖆𝖇𝖘𝖔𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖊𝖑𝖞 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖗𝖎𝖊𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖞 BaNKinG ApPS, or are trying to solve a problem for me which is already solved: I’ll just use dwm or Compiz, until Wayland either improves or is replaced by something that actually works.
X is perfectly functional in its current state (more functional than Wayland), and is likely to remain functional for the foreseeable future. Trying to modernise the codebase for X is probably the most futile endeavour I can think of. Thousands of people will continue to use X even after this forceful push by ɢɴᴏᴍᴇ, KDE, and RedHat/Fedora. And I suspect there will be backlash against this, and plenty of forks.
It’s your computer, do as you wish. .
I like Wayland. Touchpad gestures changed my life lol.
I don’t use that.
Admittedly since I also now have a desktop I don’t add much either lol. But that brought me to gnome on my laptops. As a simple user, I can’t tell the difference other than that. If I didn’t specifically log into one or the other I wouldn’t be able to tell you if I was in x11 or Wayland. To me the experience is the same.
Because your computer usage is limited to that tiny portion of tasks at which Wayland offers the same experience as X. I suppose that is true for many users, they perceive Wayland as acceptable since most don’t even know what they are missing.
But if you ever step outside that zone, even slightly, like wanting to have a pretty screensaver (just a silly example) or a pair of eyes that look at your cursor, you’ll hit a brick wall.