KDE "dropping" X11 for Wayland on Plasma 6 discussion and the alternatives in that case

For me the main word here is forced, .as oppose to organic competition… :laughing:
Who knows what it will lead to…let’s hope for the best at least long term.

Personally i’ll stay on X for my sexy screensavers! :star_struck:

1 Like

Do people still run 8h of screensaver when they sleep ? :stuck_out_tongue:

1 Like

That would be nice, too, of course. Even though I typically don’t use a screensaver…

Nothing wrong with that.

In fact, I used to have Xscreensaver on my laptop at my work, and many people commented on it: “oh that’s pretty!”

Of course, how else would i sleep without my flurry psychedelic screensaver + grindcore music as a lullaby?! :rofl:

1 Like

I’m not following X development to be honest.
But I’m genuinely curious… to what extent is X still being maintained adequately?

My lazy assumption would be that at worst case scenario EL “stakeholders” like RedHat, Canonical, etc would keep it alive according to their business needs (realistically, in accordance to their customers’ needs)

But RedHat has already deprecated X and Fedora is dropping Support on F40 (there’s reports for both KDE/Gnome) so we can expect RHEL 10 (forked from 40) to be Wayland.

KDE to my knowledge has only said that X is buggier on Plasma 6, and there’s discussion for Gnome dropping.

To the extent that it works and newly discovered critical vulnerabilities are fixed. Very few new features were added in the last year or two, pretty much nothing. And there are still missing features, mainly concerning HDR screens, so that is probably never going to get added. Other than that, X is fully functional, working fine, and that is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

3 Likes

Basically feature freeze + occasionally fixing security bugs.
It’s technically maintained, but most people actively don’t like to maintain it due to code complexity or something…

1 Like

We’ll have to see that…
Until now - it’s definitely the other way around :laughing:

1 Like

I mean, better turning it off for keeping the display longer and saving money. No ?

Sorry but its different, if its the workplace that pay for that, no prob :sweat_smile:

1 Like

Yeah, X is a total mess. It really ought to be replaced. The codebase is the stuff of nightmares, the only people who know how to maintain it are getting old and dying, the API is clumsy… I never said that X is good, it’s pretty awful.

It’s just tragic that Wayland is what is currently the most promising replacement, that all major DE’s are following like blind fools. Wayland is a product of severely damaged, traumatised people (traumatised by working on X) who wanted desperately, at any cost, to avoid doing the same mistakes that made X such a mess. So they made this lunatic asylum of a protocol with padded walls that is so safe, it can’t do anything. And they delegated everything to compositors, which are free to implement features as they see fit.

1 Like

X12

To the rescue :wink:

3 Likes

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! :frog:

1 Like

https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/

you mean that meme? :rofl:

I don’t think he meant forced like physically. It’s like chess. If no one wants Wayland, even if gnome forces the hand to it, gnome can fall apart trying to use it.

It’s up to the developers in that case.

Or something else will come up.

1 Like

I like that!
Perhraps Wayland is not so bad! :rofl:

1 Like

I’ll be disappointed for sure.

you can always flirts with hyprland or sway :slight_smile: is bit offtopic offcourse but is partly :slight_smile:

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/waybar-eyes

He want eyes that follow the cursor :eyes:
https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/man/man1/xeyes.1.xhtml

Finally we got the xeyes obsession origin story. :frog: :frog: :frog:

Always interesting to see how different people are using software. I hope Wayland will someday add the things you need. But in the end you probably still got more than enough time with X until that day. Doubt it will disappear in the next years.

1 Like

@fbodymechanic @Kresimir

Out of curiousity, does anyone know where missing x11 use cases are being recorded so the end user community will know where the gaps are?

It seems to me that those use cases need to be analyzed to see which practices are not secure and determine the path moving forward.

Reading through the chain, I agree there has been many years of X11 / Wayland pains. Nvidia comes to mind knowing I have been running on old Thinkpad laptops. To the point where I will not use non Intel video anymore.

On a high level you ever notice how diverse the Linux ecosystem is? Well its all that complexity of supporting it all that kinds of makes us feel uneasy about when something we have crafted might get broken or abandoned. So strong feelings are expected when things are so personal.

4 Likes