Edit: I’ve chosen Endeavour as my OS, stop replying please.
I’ve been considering the move to Linux and the 2 distros I’m looking to move to are EndeavourOS and Arch. I looked at the pros for Endeavour and its usually an easier installer, but arch has archinstall? (albeit people say it crashes alot but those people said that 3 years ago so I don’t know if that’s changed) I’ve seen people say Endeavour is mostly the same as Arch. Is there something Endeavour is better at?
@charlieshere, as pointed out above by @sammiev, EndeavourOS is Archlinux but with a few scripts. The welcome screen app and the extra apps installer to name a couple things included. Plus, the yay AUR helpr already enabled.
The biggest thing Endeavour is better at? The EndeavourOS Community… this forum. You’d be hard-pressed to find a more welcoming community. And so many of us are eager to help if help or advice is ever requested. And it’s fun here!
Well, yeah. I never made my printer solution work in arch, but I did so in Endevour. And Manjaro, that is. I even went to the Arch forums and asked them, and well… that turned out VERY bad - those guys HATE to hear that another distro is better in something than arch.
Which brings us directly to the second thing that is better as in arch - and with better I mean SO MUCH FRIGGIN BETTER THAT IT HURTS: The forum/community/approach to noobs. Arch HATES noobs, EndevourOS loves them.
So, two "better"s, one even very important…
I would still describe myself as a complete novice when it comes to dealing with Linux-based operating systems. With pure Arch I would have had a hard time but with EndeavourOS the transition from Windows 11 5 months ago was mostly painless. Another plus point is the friendly community in the forum, which is also very helpful.
I’ve installed Arch both the ‘proper’ way that they feel everyone should install it for maximum nerd points, and I’ve also installed it the ‘easy’ way using archinstall.
For both, even by the time I was finally up and running in my DE of choice there was still a laundry list of things to install and configure, each of which required a different page of the Arch wiki and endless cross-referencing.
I’m not scared of a little hard work or time spent learning, but the sheer volume of it just to get the system into what I would consider a ‘usable’ state (all drivers loaded correctly, DE setup appropriately, etc) was pretty eye-watering.
In comparison, EOS got me up and running with everything I needed to install and configure for the ‘bare minimum’ already done in around 10 minutes.
Beyond that, I’ll echo the community being significantly more pleasant (unless you really enjoy being talked down to, and essentially called a moron because you haven’t memorised every word on every page of the Arch wiki before you sat down to install it )
If you just want something to install and use for your daily driver and still almost certainly get the opportunity for a little learning along the way, install EOS.
If you want maximum nerd-cred and you’re willing to put in a much more significant amount of time learning and experimenting, and not put off by the fact that going to the source for advice will likely leave you feeling like an idiot toddler whether you get an answer or not, install Arch.
There is no proper way to install Arch. It’s just how it is done if you install it that other way. EOS is a proper way to install Arch but is much easier because one doesn’t need to know every single package required in order to install it using that other method. When installing using EOS you have a system up and running as soon as it is installed with most things needed for the particular desktop you choose. You can make more choices on the install also if one knows what they want. It’s simpler and faster and doesn’t require one to do it all from the terminal. It’s KISS. Plus you get to interact with a warm and welcoming community with all different levels of knowledge and expertise along with us noobs.
Well, the thing with vanilla Arch is… its users really like to boast about using Arch, even and especially when it’s not necessary. So much it’s grown into a meme at this point.
I like to call EndeavourOS “Arch with sane defaults”, but I think there’s more to it. The community here is like no other in the FOSS world. Plus the purple colour and space imaginery add to it, even though you don’t need to install EOS theming (I didn’t, as I prefer handling the OS theming myself).
I feel like the vanilla Arch community and their helpful installation guide that doesn’t even mentionarchinstall would have a different opinion about this, hence why I said ‘proper’ in quotation marks
If you install Arch no matter how you do it whether it is EOS or some other Arch based distro it is still an Arch installation using whatever install method as provided. Even archinstall is not much different. It just guides the user along with the steps. Some methods are more vanilla than others. There’s nothing wrong with the arch installation guide if one wants to do it the long way. I don’t think of it as proper. It’s just the original method used. Now we have others … I like the EOS method better but i understand your point.
Honestly, having run both, it’s package selection. There’s a lot of legwork in Arch post-install that you just don’t get with EOS. The default package selection in EOS is sane, and smoothens down a lot of rough edges when it comes to additional functionality like NAS shares, printing, and other “I need this but I don’t want to have to grind my gears to get it” items.
The Arch guys diasagree with you, and they do it with very strong effort. If you have a weird bug and ask for help in the forum and they find out that you did it not the way the guide demands it they will not help you until you followed that guide. So there is one sanctioned way to install vanilla Arch - hence the proper. No quotations marks needed, decision of the Arch community.
Yupp, that’s stupid, but that’s just like it is…
I have learned that (the hard way, that is), but that was not my point. My point is:
They do not help you if you do it not the only one correct way, starting from the install.
Use a arch based distro? Used Archinstall script? Did not read the man page and the wiki? Sorry, no help, and btw WHY DO YOU STEAL OUR TIME GODDAM NUB!!!