Important Applications that Often Get Overlooked?

KCalc → Settings → Show history

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Oh dear, silly me! :crazy_face: I should have looked closer! :face_with_hand_over_mouth: Been using Gnome calculator for years just for the history! :open_mouth:

No worries, it’s classical KDE…It can do almost anything - you just gotta find the settings for it :rofl:

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Yep, that’s why I love KDE Plasma, it’s so freaking feature rich, but for the same reason a little overwhelming for some. I keep finding new (old) features!

I don’t want my passwords available on any device. I don’t want anything I own in the cloud. I don’t trust anyone has my best interests online with that info. I sincerely believe as soon as you do that you are compromised. You have turned over the keys of your life (bank, work, school) to 500 eyeballs that don’t need to be in there, sharing them with the highest bidder. This isn’t paranoia–this is standard operating procedure.

There is a gigantic philosophical trust difference between us and that’s OK. The world will keep turning.

As for gnome-terminal it is a Luddite application, one step above cool-retro-term which is blinking orange cathode tube throwback to a 1979 200-lb monitor. It’s frightening to use, so once a month for me. The gnome-terminal appeals to my simpleton mindset for sure. I am not writing code :grinning: only basic linux stuff.

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Not a fan. I tried to like Plasma 3 times. With any debian-based distro there are 85 ways to do one thing when I only need about 2-3 so it’s an overkill of apps, tools, and confusing overlapping system settings, etc. Debian is redundant everywhere.

PLASMA: “Debian-Shmebian. You want overkill? You want more variety and option than your lifespan permits? Hold my beer.”

/no sarcasm here, but a little hyperbole :upside_down_face:

So what? How often do you change settings? It’s not like that stuff is in your face at all times, and it’s also not true that you have a bunch of different ways to do everything, just that you can do it from different places, and well that’s handy depending on where you are at. If I’m already in the settings app where it all comes together, I can setup all kinds of stuff, but if all I want to do is change some desktop behavior, then having it in the right click context menu is a bonus rather than having to open an app, go to the desktop settings… When things are related, then having them in places where they apply is good, not bad!

Also you can customize and change behavours for just about everything and in minute detail, which again is great, because you can truly make it your own and in a way that works best for you. I see nothing good with DE’s where you get what you get, and you have to conform to it, and if you don’t have a lot of options, then you may never know what you are missing out on. You can call a stripped down, or never built up DE better, even easier, but it isn’t in the long run, because if you can’t make it suit your workflow, your workflow suffers, and you can accept it and stay complacent, but to knock something that may just serve you better, because you are too lazy to take a few minutes to customize it, or it’s a little confusing and takes some getting used to, the amount of time you waste doing things with ten clicks you could in three, and that every day for weeks, months and years adds up, and makes it well worth the time to tweak KDE to your exact needs, rather than use a DE like Gnome and do things their way!

Gnome getting rid of the menu bar and trade it for a hamburger menu was the last straw for me! I have had and been using that type of menu since the 80’s! It not only threw everyone who has ever used a GUI for longer than 2 years under the buss, but actually made it harder to do stuff and added more navigation and clicks to everything and even hid and removed things people used and liked, and for what, a cleaner look, more screen real estate on ever higher resolution monitors? My PC isn’t a cell phone! They should have thought about that when we still had 1024x640 CRT monitors, and the least they could have done is give us the option to not use it and keep the traditional menu system which wasn’t broken, nor a pest!

KDE adds new features and new ways of doing things, but without just yanking the the things you use and crippling way’s you are used to doing things. If they do want to get rid of something they do so transitionally over time and give you plenty of time to get used to it. I updated Gnome one day and the menu was gone, no warning, no nothing! I thought it was a bug and when they told me (and thousands of other angry users) it’s a feature, refused to reverse that awful decision, and smugly told everyone to get used to the hamburger menu, or the many keyboard shortcuts which you have to remember (many can’t, and you also need hands and fingers which many people are short of), I was out, and so were many others!

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I appreciate this line of thinking and sometimes I feel the same way. But then I realize I use gmail, 90% of my searches were without vpn, and I use online banking, so all my info is already on multiple servers.

Let me ask you - do you use none of these services? How do you know its secure, or do you draw the line with certain companies?

you know it was about 5 minutes after I replied to you that I had that sinking feeling that we cling to our beliefs, especially what we think we know about linux and security and computing. I mean once I give my password to my bank, it’s “in the cloud” and once I give my password to my employer its “in the cloud” rinse and repeat for everything----
—thats 0 degress of kevin bacon away from having an encrypted password list and letting a third party unlock accts from any of your devices. It’s all relative that way. Once it’s up there you have to trust. And when you sleep the blackhats in the deep/dark will try like hell to shake it loose from the tree.
I was out of character and got pious there, I apologize. My wife, who’s hippie-like, blames that stuff on the full moon. Fair enough :grinning:

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I dont think its possible for anyone to maintain any semblance of privacy, unless you live like a hermit in the middle of nowhere and interact with no one, and even then the govt/corps will find a way if they want to.

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nowhere near that level of tinfoilery…

Facts. However, that doesn’t mean you should use the non-privacy-respecting defaults for every internet-enabled device or app.

Got Windows with your device and don’t need a particular app that is Windows-only? → Switch to Linux

Don’t want to switch to Linux? At least switch your browser and do a search on how to make Windows more private.

The baby steps count in giving you tiny bits of control over your privacy and/or data.

Isn’t the Microsoft telemetry easily disabled using options in the OS itself (and there are plenty of tools), and whatever info is sent is anonymized anyway?

There is so much FUD about Windows these days. I use both Linux and Windows and its not like there is a huge difference between them these days. I find Linux’s way of doing things much more appealing in most cases, and I like the terminal, so my choice is easy, but my Windows pc has its own strengths and I am far more concerned about privacy concerns from other companies.

No. At least, not for the average Windows user.

People who use Linux - at least, most of us - are not like average Windows users in terms of our willingness to learn about our devices, systems, and alternatives and the current understanding we have of the digital age we live in. And even though some of us may be greatly ignorant in comparison to actual Linux developers, maintainers, and the like, we are far more competent with our understanding of privacy than average Windows or worse Apple users.

The “options” you refer to - the ones easily found by slightly above average users - don’t really do anything. They have hidden settings that you need to go look up to turn them off properly. ← This should sound familiar to especially Arch users (not the hidden part) - we look stuff up all the time. But for Windows and Apple anything users (average users)… they call customer service or bring their devices to “the shop”.

I say “slightly above average” users because actual average users do not care about privacy. Not meaning that they don’t want privacy, but rather they don’t concern themselves with it. They just click next without reading thoroughly because that’s the convenient thing to do.

These words we use after gaining knowledge of how to do things: easy, simple, basic, etc. - they are similar to the often very inaccurate usage of the phrase “common sense”. :face_vomiting:

I’d say the FUD is warranted. Why? People’s data has been used to wrongfully imprison :eagle: and unethically shame :dragon_face: them in different parts of the world. Guess who they got some of that data from. :thinking:

I used to use Windows alongside Linux myself, and the only thing Windows actually gave to me - and currently gives to the masses nowadays - is convenience. Something Apple decided to do from the start.

However, I say this every time someone gives me the chance: convenience is the opposite of control. :eyes:

Apple device users know that truth all too well. I mean, technically, they don’t know - if they’ve never gotten the opportunity to use a Linux, Android, or Windows device before. :person_shrugging:

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There are a few things in Windows I have not found any equivalent for in Linux. e.g I like to catalog my files and have a bunch of hard disks collected over the years. In Windows there are tools which use the MFT and are orders of magnitude faster - e.g. TreeSize. And I use Everything from voidtools IMO that one app is magic. I’ve asked about this on Linux dev forums, there is something like fsearch, but Linux lacks the low level mechanisms.

Linux filesystems (I use ext4, sometime btrfs) in general are more efficient esp for lots of smaller files. But NTFS has its strengths too, I tend to stay away from debates unless they are on technical merit.

I use Linux mostly. I still have a 10yr old Windows pc purchased from Dell for a great price, guess what every edition of Windows has activated on it with a digital license, and they each run faster than the one before. I enable WSL and use Linux gui apps as well as cmd line. So for a lot of my work the experience is the same.

I also think MS has done a fantastic job with their ownership of github, no other company would’ve made so much free and kept improving it. As well as Vscode which is the standard for developers.

My main machine is laptop with EOS, KDE, VsCode, Firefox. Custom hosts files, UBlock origin. I’ve applied tweaks from Arch wiki etc, no idea if they actually made a measurable difference.

I’m probably in minority here, but I trust MS far more than say Meta, and I like then far more than Apple for all their tech contributions - all Apple has done is push prices up and lock everything. MacOS/OSX was a toy before they based it on FreeBSD and still the only good part about it is the overpriced hardware they sell.

wow, I don’t see any good guys in your list; you give MS too much credit. you have not read their operating system EULA from beginning to end. I have. It’s sus as the kids say. they tell you right up front they are a keylogger and then it gets weirder from there. All these privacy settings you talk about are illusory. I’ve seen the wireshark/calling home traffic—after ‘settings’ applied and it’s extremely busy.*** but they told you in the EULA what they’d be sending back (every and any folder) and how often, so no shock.
***=I’ve not bookmarked these things I’ve read about the wireshark traffic but they are easy to search.

I also think your proclamation of them being a good steward of github is premature. Every thing I told you above is fact-based. the steward thing it just like my opinion man :grinning:
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edit: I have no hate or disrespect. I had to use their product half my life and still at work. It’s just done nothing to earn my trust.

I used to praise MS mostly as a way to make Apple users feel bad, :sweat_smile: so I know the merits the OS provides. I completely understand that you gotta do what you gotta do to have things work the way you want.

But, that comes straight back to my point, doesn’t it?

Being the industry standard usually allows you to also be the most convenient option. The things you mentioned that are not as good on Linux or are entirely absent from Linux are this way because it isn’t convenient to create apps, tools, or hardware for Linux when you know the larger audience will be on another OS. And it certainly isn’t as profitable.

To clarify, I am not an FSF advocate by any stretch. If Photoshop was available on Linux, wasn’t subscription-based, and the alternatives were absolute :poop:, I’d have it installed on my Linux machine.

The things you’ve mentioned aren’t what average users deal with. Most average users don’t actually need Windows at all. And for the ones that bind themselves to it because of one particular app, in most cases, they are just unwilling to learn something new. Why? It isn’t convenient.

The only reason I even became somewhat good at understanding Windows and apps was because I used to get told I was an idiot for not knowing how to do something when I was a child. That’s when I decided to start Yahoo searching everything. And then googling everything. And the rest is misery. Ehem, history.

And this was my TED Talk :smiling_face_with_tear:

PS: Send hugs pls.

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fify :wink:

edit: ps I’ve worked (printing/publishing) in some Apple-worshipping places. you know.

I use them both. KDE Connect is great for mirroring notifications, getting device status, and copying files back and forth (uses Dolphin); scrcpy for anything else, especially sending/reading texts.

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