I get a similar page as @dirn
EDIT: Clarification provided by @manuel’s post above.
I find Manjaro’s Pamac was excellent as a GUI pm (Add/Remove Software). I didn’t use it that much as I tended to use the pamac command for installing, removing etc. But its GUI is the best I’ve seen in any Linux distro. And it’s also handy if I need to check the spelling of a package I want to install, as well as discovering packages that looked interesting.
I don’t get the hate for GUIs by some Linux users. It can be a lot easier and faster to use the GUI route to do something, than typing the equivalent by a long command at the terminal, especially if you’re prone to typos.
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It has nothing to do with hate, you just shouldn’t use GUI-Applications for tasks that require root permissions.
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But GUI applications like Pamac do use root permissions. That’s why you have to type your password in to install any software from there.
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That’s the problem 
Did you read the warning?
The fact that apps like pamac exist doesn’t mean they are good practice.
But as always, your system, your rules.
You don’t run the front-end gui as root when you use pamac. It requests root permission when it is necessary for the cli back-end.
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It is essential to use tools like pacman which do not hide essential information about e.g. required manual interventions or other similar additional info while updating or installing software.
Unfortunately pamac or other GUI tools didn’t show that info when I last used them.
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I have to agree. This video is a breath of fresh air! I don’t necessarily agree with some of his points. There is a reason why discover is not installed and that decision was made by the devs. EOS is a terminal centric distribution as it states.
I also agree with this next post.
Although I agree it’s only for newer users or newbies as there are those of us experienced users who do use other methods to install some software such as using pamac, or discover or flat paks etc. I think having any of the GUI package managers pre-installed would not be helpful and would only as you said cause more issues.
I think the video is very good compared to many many others out there that personally I have a hard time even watching.
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I haven’t been using pamac for a long time but last time I used it there was an 
at the bottom right of the window which would take you to the terminal output.
Perhaps someone still using it could verify?
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So it must be a very long time since I used them.
Years anyway.
But interesting, they have noticed the need for terminal output too.
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You got a point there, but as I can’t verify that there is a clear distinction between the GUI-part and the “root-part” for every app asking for root permissions, I’ll keep doing my administration tasks in the terminal.
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The dude has a point about rejecting the terminal use, i mean windows users stopped using DOS in 1995. We too should be able to.
Some of the most confusing aspects of using Linux for me as an ex-windows guy are:
- The lack of gui for certain tasks. (the necessity to use terminal for certain operations).
- File/folder ownership, “groups”, root privileges, overall not being able to access/modify certain files and folders, even when i was the one who copied it there. This still bugs me sometimes. Also, if you accidentally break these values in system files, you are screwed. And it is not very hard to do.
- Having to deal with systemd services (which, once again, requires terminal)
- Not having an easy to use backup/restore solution “on a live system”. I had issues with timeshift. The best and easiest i could come up with was “rsync”, however, you need to exclude a lot of folders (mounted drives for example), so it is still complicated. Backup/restore should be easy and even embedded to the system itself. Linux still could not figure this out in my opinion.
- Constantly changing external drive mount points, if you haven’t included them in fstab (again, terminal use).
I can probably come up with much more if i give it more thought 
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As far as I know, the (few European) municipal governments that swapped Windows out and Zorin in, were all cities in which there is a Linux community that suggested the swap in the first place and did the work. What those Windows users look for, is not what Endeavour OS users ask for—although Arch is probably more capable to allow for creating a near-Windows (or Mac) experience, a developer would have to have a proper symphathetic view to Windows and Window users, and I don’t see any sympathies, here, rather disdain. It’s pretty snobbish.
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After I started using 
I use terminal even in windows. I always have a terminal open and manage most of my software updates in windows in the terminal too. I also found that tools like zoxide, eza, neovim, lf work in windows.
Windows Powershell is powerful if you learn how to use it.
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Never said anything negative about Zorin just stated that most Gui people coming to a terminal seem to need special attention. I’ve been around to many users making the switch and have my fill of showing them every little thing even after I show them resources in which to look for those same things. I’ve had users download programs like they were in Windows and have been through the pain of having to explain the benefit of the package manager. So after 20 + years maybe I am a bit snobbish now. Plenty of others around here willing to do those things I Cannot or Will not do. That is what makes this a Community. There is something for everyone’s taste.
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seems a forum flaw.. there is a thread and a message with the exact same title and it sometimes tries to open the message.. what is indeed forbidden as its private..
If i can do a task by the click of a mouse, i don’t want to do it by typing letters on a keyboard. I don’t want to remember commands, flags, options, parameters etc… I don’t want to search the internet to find the right command (and then the right options, parameters for it). Why would anybody want that?
Don’t get me wrong but, i do not see the “appeal” in using the terminal like you do. I am not saying this is you but, some linux users might see their “terminal wizardry” as something to boast about but in reality, i think this is what they feel like:
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You need to spend quality time with more distros - the “beginner” ones like Mint and Zorin have these issues pretty much sorted (and have GUI tools that solve your point 1).
I switched from Windows in 2009, and I’ve never had 2 & 5 happen to me, so I don’t know what you’re doing to experience these issues 
On 4, grsync is a great GUI frontend for rsync, and makes backing up my data really straightforward.
3 is certainly an issue for Arch based distros, but not on others.
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Then why use Arch (-based)? Why are you hurting yourself / your computing experience?
There are very many point-and-click friendly Linux distros and other operating systems.
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