How is endeavouros differences in looks then distros like solus , garuda and/or ubuntu for budgie desktop style?

there are some stuff I like about ubuntu budgie desktop, which is hard to setup the same on arch linux versions, or other linux distros
solus doesn’t get grub or the boot loader working with 4.3 I tried them on my hardware I had problems getting solus to install the bootloader for dual booting, no problems with ubuntu budgie, I have tried budgie on this arch based version it just doesn’t look or work the same, seems to be missing the tray icon bar from the bottom of the screen they seem to be setup different, also I tried Garuda Linux besides Endeavouros, I didn’t like the color pick of its gaming iso kde desktop from Garuda, its color pattern is just not exactly for me.

website links

Garuda KDE Dr460nized

is solus website
https://getsol.us/

Ubuntu Budgie 21.10

the Garuda KDE Dr460nized share the same type of desktop bar or icons for launching apps as ubuntu budgie, but on arch when install budgie it doesn’t seem to have that same setup or bar launcher in the center of the screen at the bottom I forgot the name of it, at this time.

also solus is a Linux distribution built from scratch but how is it different than the ones put together in either ubuntu or arch based linux? how exactly is solus different in design from any other linux? I don’t really understand if its better or less better than ubuntu or arch linux, were not all linux distro’s made from scratch at one point or another? to me kde and gnome in each linux looks a little different but seem to run the same , the only thing I really noticed is the difference in the package systems they use.

Garuda KDE Dr460nized look, the tray on the bottom center is what I liked and Iaicer or something like that app is called?
ubuntu budgie desktop look that arch doesn’t seem to have for budgie

OK, there is lot to unpack in there, let me give it a shot.

  • The reason you had trouble with Solus’s grub is that Solus doesn’t use grub. They use the bootloader from Clear Linux
  • Almost all the things you mention not liking about the various distros are just configuration. Colors, layouts and widgets are all configurable in Linux. You can make EndeavourOS, Garuda or even Solus easily look like Ubuntu Budgie does.
  • The thing in the bottom of the screen is generally called a dock. I am not sure which dock Ubuntu Budgie uses but you could probably find out by right-clicking on it.

In the end, colors and desktop layouts shouldn’t be the basis for your distro selection. Those are all just defaults which are in your control to alter.

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I think when I install budgie it didn’t install the dock software, I was looking for the one that garuda uses which I think is the same dock, I don’t recall the name but I going to look it up.

when you install desktops on garuda based arch , I think there was some problems with it putting or hard coded the dock into each of the ones besides kde, I think it was autoloading the dock software into each one like gnome or cinnomon and deepin which doesn’t always work, I think their was a problem getting deepin working under either ubuntu or garuda if I recall correctly. I found it its called latte dock which both ubuntu budgie used and garuda, I don’t think solus had the latte dock in it, also solus was able to boot but I had to do F12 and select the /dev/sdb hard drive when it was install it would boot into linux without any problems but never install a bootloader onto my gigabyte desktop, I had selected the LWM which changed /dev/sdb to /dev/solusdevice name type thing on its partition selection from its installer which may of cause its bootloader not to load at the time of me trying it on my USB drive. I never was able to get clearlinux to work yet on my hardware, solus did run and boot into the desktop, from the install but was not able to dual boot it with windows.

https://userbase.kde.org/LatteDock/FAQ

What is Latte Dock? How did it begin?
Latte Dock is a dock based on plasma frameworks and a direct successor of Now Dock. Latte is the combined effort from the developers of Now Dock and Candil Dock.

Which Linux distros provide "Out Of The Box" Latte Dock experience?
Nitrux
Garuda KDE Dragonized
Xerolinux
Bluestar Linux
pearOS

Garuda Dr4g0nized definitely uses latte-dock but I would guess that is not what Ubuntu Budgie is using. They are probably using the dock from budgie which I think can be enabled in settings. It has been a while since I used budgie.

I think you just aren’t familiar with how each desktop works. By default, gnome doesn’t have a dock but it has a dash which looks a bit like a dock. Cinnamon has configurable panels and deepin can be switched from panel mode to dock mode. That being said, deepin has quite a few bugs.

All the things you are describing are easily fixable for the most part. The key is not to try something, note it doesn’t work and move on. You should try it, explore it enough to learn how to configure it. Then, if it still doesn’t work for you it is time to ty something new.

I am currently on endeavouros but I do what to install the latte-dock on it, is there any other packages I should install with it? since my default its not installed on any of the endeavouros desktops? from its installer on endeavouros I don’t recall an option to install latte-dock with any of the desktops for linux? was it just forgotten or is there a reason its was not included? I used the EndeavourOS_Atlantis-21_4.iso and don’t recall it including latte-dock at all for when installing any of the desktops, which is fine I can manualling install it from yay just was wondering if it was not included for a reason or not.

[robert@robert-Gigabyte ~]$ yay -S latte-dock
[sudo] password for robert: 
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Package (1)           New Version  Net Change  Download Size

community/latte-dock  0.10.4-1       6.16 MiB       1.41 MiB

Total Download Size:   1.41 MiB
Total Installed Size:  6.16 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] Y
:: Retrieving packages...
 latte-dock-0.10....  1439.6 KiB   194 KiB/s 00:07 [----------------------] 100%
(1/1) checking keys in keyring                     [----------------------] 100%
(1/1) checking package integrity                   [----------------------] 100%
(1/1) loading package files                        [----------------------] 100%
(1/1) checking for file conflicts                  [----------------------] 100%
:: Processing package changes...
(1/1) installing latte-dock                        [----------------------] 100%
:: Running post-transaction hooks...
(1/3) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate...
(2/3) Updating icon theme caches...
(3/3) Updating the desktop file MIME type cache...
[robert@robert-Gigabyte ~]$ 


EndeavourOS ships most of it’s desktops in their default configurations. It is up to each individual to customize the desktop to your own liking. If you want to add a dock, you can certainly do so as you did above.

That being said, doesn’t budgie have it’s own dock that can be enabled in the settings?

I don’t think budgie has a dock but I could be wrong I thought it used that latte-dock software but maybe I was wrong about that.

To the OP : Budgie default configs are very basic. Thats what you get on Arch (and hence Endeavour). Solus and Ubuntu both customize the desktop before shipping. I have been able to clone my Budgie setups from Solus to Endeavour.

I don’t have much idea about Ubuntu Budge (never used it first hand for more than an hour), but I’m very positive they use plank and not latte-dock.


Yes it has, but its not as featureful as latte-dock or plank.

I don’t think the plank dock got installed on arch for budge desktop the , I have to try yay -s plank and see if it installs it , I am guessing its an extra and not installed from the installer for endeavouros I don’t think its included but I could be wrong. it seems to be an extra thats not installed by default for budge.

yay -S plank
[sudo] password for robert: 
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Package (2)      New Version  Net Change  Download Size

community/bamf   0.5.5-1        0.98 MiB       0.17 MiB
community/plank  0.11.89-3      1.54 MiB       0.41 MiB

Total Download Size:   0.59 MiB
Total Installed Size:  2.52 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] Y
:: Retrieving packages...
 bamf-0.5.5-1-x86_64   176.8 KiB   171 KiB/s 00:01 [----------------------] 100%
 plank-0.11.89-3-...   422.4 KiB   330 KiB/s 00:01 [----------------------] 100%
 Total (2/2)           599.3 KiB   433 KiB/s 00:01 [----------------------] 100%
(2/2) checking keys in keyring                     [----------------------] 100%
(2/2) checking package integrity                   [----------------------] 100%
(2/2) loading package files                        [----------------------] 100%
(2/2) checking for file conflicts                  [----------------------] 100%
:: Processing package changes...
(1/2) installing bamf                              [----------------------] 100%
(2/2) installing plank                             [----------------------] 100%
:: Running post-transaction hooks...
(1/4) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate...
(2/4) Compiling GSettings XML schema files...
(3/4) Updating icon theme caches...
(4/4) Updating the desktop file MIME type cache...
[robert@robert-Gigabyte ~]$ 


Because Plank is not part of the Budgie environment. Its an extra app you can use if you like.

prior, i already was using MX Linux as my daily driver and successfully installed EOS on top of it. I thought of avoiding the hassle of configuring qtile by installing garuda. when the garuda installation failed, i updated on the live environment, which i was actually loading from iso file (without burning it to the dvd).
It was a big mess and ate away lot of time. my grub was screwed up and luckily EOS was booting from usb. the reinstall of EOS fixed by grub issue. (the affected one was the GPT FAT partition)

EOS is a bootloader correct, I know that there are other linux that use stuff other than grub or grub 2 but half the time I don’t know what the linux.iso comes with it feels like, in any case I have even used a windows based bootloader type thing in the past, like a GUI freeware bootloader that has a different look, but its been years since I used a GUI freeware bootloader that could handle both linux, bsd , freebsd, freedos and whatever else came from that one or what it could handle at the time, again its been years, but something I feel like its not clear is the bootloader will load, since I tried android x86 which worked fine and loaded its bootloader but then BlissOS x86 one fails to load the same bootloader that android x86 comes with, that type of thing like the fact that solus also seems to fail to install the bootloader, ok sorry if I overwrite this post but I wanted to get to my point. sometimes it feels like you can’t write what you feel about it in a short post.

except that plank or latte is included by default on the ubuntu budgie desktop iso image, it may be a extra but some of the linux distro’s are including it as part of budgie :slight_smile: or garuda gaming Eddition iso that includes latte as apart of plasma (KDE) desktop.

or maybe KaOS that either includes latte or plank by default I think? its been awhile since I booted KaOS but I think it includes one or the other, otherwise I may be wrong about that one.

As pointed out already, EOS doesn’t install anything extra. If it was a required package for budgie you would get it. Most other distros give you what they want budgie to be. Here you get what budgie wants you to get. It’s up to you to install whatever you want beyond that.

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I am looking into this now, I don’t care about latte or plank at this point, I am trying to make a customized iso of a linux version if I can find one that easy to customized like SUSE Studio used to be by website access.

Make a Custom Live Linux Distro with SUSE Studio - Make your own Linux (dedoimedo.com) outdated web info? - General system / Newbie - EndeavourOS

does anyone remember a website, that allows you to customize a Linux distro, from steps to steps, like what software you want to include, what kde or gnome etc… and so on with software, until it makes a live iso image of your selections to download, I seem to remember a Linux that did that but I can’t recall the website. added some links to what I think it was? I think the SUSE STUDIO project is dead, it was used for able to rollout their custom Linux distro with own customizations as the review of its website said.
SUSE Studio - Make your own Linux (dedoimedo.com)

SUSE Studio online + Open Build Service = SUSE Studio Express | SUSE Communities

I been trying to search the web for it with no luck so far, I think I had seen something like years ago, but again I am not having much luck the closest things I found were these, I think it may have been that SUSE Linux but I am getting a strange website message from it, I have to see if the web address for it is wrong or something like that. it maybe has a new web URL and they just let the old one gets this error; I am not sure about it in any case. but below they do have a desktop rolling update release of SUSE now.

SUSE Studio Express (opensuse.org)

Privacy error (susestudio.com)
it seems that the weblink to that page, that show in those web reviews have it as this below, its maybe a dead linux project or I have not found the right web site for it yet, since the link below is getting that net error in windows 11 and is blocking the url from access for safely reasons I guess.

Your connection isn’t private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from susestudio.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).

NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID

Create Your Own Custom Linux Distro Online Fast And Simple | Megaleecher.Net 1

Building Custom Appliances with SUSE Studio - Linux.com

Creating A Custom Kali ISO | Kali Linux Documentation

Best Tools To Create Your Own Custom Linux OS In 2022 | Itsubuntu.com

this I am not sure the below link is even related to the above topic.
Download - Open Build Service

not sure suse allow you to web customize the iso anymore, since I didn’t have much luck finding any up to the date information, it looks like a lot of the web searches get outdated topics on this website, that link you to that above broken link for it.

How to customize a OpenSuse ISO?

these two are live iso images I think, in any case I download them and see if its improved in virtualbox or just try them on my usb drive, again no luck finding the version that can be customized, again I think its now a dead project, or a broken one.

openSUSE Leap - Get openSUSE

openSUSE Tumbleweed - Get openSUSE

if you should be able to build it from the below think I don’t really understand it, I don’t think it’s really for home users, or they just make their page hard to understand now.

Image template - openSUSE Build Service

and at this point I am looking at these OpenSuse iso images, one being based on Deepin-Leap-15.3-Live.x86_64-EFI for opensuse and Cutefish-Tumbleweed-Live.x86_64-0.0.1-EFI-Build15.6

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not safe iso, they are half in English and half in another language, I guess I found broken English OpenSUSE versions, JUST a WARNING about that, plus the installer for openSUSE want to download 4GB to install anything, I don’t like that.

This thread has become more of a technical advanced discussion on Linux in general and not EndeavourOS newbie related.

I’m moving this to another category, although I think the answers you’re looking for could be found on the Opensuse forum.

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maybe, not looking for remastersys method or scripts like but what studioexpress.opensuse had before its change, I don’t think they allow customizing linux anymore for home users.

https://studioexpress.opensuse.org/

Linux Live Kit is a set of shell scripts which allows you to create your own Live Linux! (linux-live.org)

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How to customize a OpenSuse ISO?

Good luck. You’re venturing into an area I’ve never looked into at all. I know little about SUSE and even less about creating my own iso.

What I understand from all posts you have made you just want to get a dock and make your DE look like Ubuntu Budgie.

From most of the stuff posted by you, it seems you don’t have any idea how Linux distributions work and how DE/WM’s work. And seems you don’t want to learn about it or don’t understand it or something.

As @dalto said here. The thing you’re looking at are aesthetics and those can be configured with some digging in or following a customization guide online. You can try Cutefish DE Manjaro has a release with this DE.

Solus comes with clr-boot-manager not grub. You can install and configure it if you want. And under Solus help here they have listed some fixes for dual booting.

Ubuntu Budgie does use GRUB and was able to work properly.

Again you’re trying the vanilla version which is not configured like in Solus or in Ubuntu Budgie. What you’re getting is what developers put in there when they uploaded the build to the repo.

Again you can change this by just reconfiguring.

But lower down you decided to just go and jump into customizing an entire distro which is harder than reconfiguring just your desktop and themes. And then you keep posting about openSUSE in a forum that is not specialized for openSUSE like your post here. Yeah, it’s another Linux distro but I dought you would find help here for a non-Arch distro. Like you’re doing here.

If you’re really want to make your own spin then have a look at Archiso. And no it’s not easy if you don’t try to learn it. I don’t think there are any GUI-based or web-based remastering solutions out there because not many people use those. Because Linus can be molded into anything you want just by configuring it.

Um, no that method uses scripts to an iso from a installed linux system I think like ubuntu or debian, I was looking for the openSUSE way of Suse studio used to be able to customize the whole Linux from website pages and generate an iso after filling out the webpages for it

What you’re looking for is a remaster. Suse studio was an ISO builder with different packages based on their base or main system ISO, again a remaster.

Anyway, good luck with your new endeavor of creating your own distro or remaster.