Therefore there is no recipe hence no property! 
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This is as i said before ⌠nonsense! 
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You can if itâs tangible. Code is tangible. Same as plaugerizing a written work.
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How is code tangible?
Do you know what tangible means? It means it is a physical object. Code is just information.
Besides, it doesnât mean whether it is tangible or not, what matters is whether it is scarce or not. The fact anyone can make a copy of it with no effort means it is not scarce at all.
There can be no conflict over the use of code: you can I can use the same code at the same time without getting in each otherâs way. Therefore, there is no property in code.
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So a book, hacked and stolen from an author before itâs printed is not tangible?
What if Nvidia has printed it somewhere in case of drive failure? Would it then be tangible?
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Sure, if someone stole the paper on which it is printed or the hard drive on which it is stored (btw, that didnât happen here: nobody stole anything tangible from NoVidea).
Paper is tangible, and so are hard drives. More importantly, they are scarce. If I take your hard drive away from you, you are deprived of it. You and I cannot use the same hard drive for mutually exclusive purpose without getting into a conflict.
However, the information stored on that drive is not property. If I copy it, you are not deprived of it. The only way I can deprive you of it is if delete it, that is, I physically alter your tangible property. And the only way you can deprive me of is to do the same to my tangible property, that is, physically alter the drive Iâm storing the copy on. That is, depriving you of this information is a violation of property rights in actual, tangible things.
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That is not true! What you are saying is wrong.
Regardless of whether or not you can touch the copyrighted work, if it is stored in some permanent (or even semi-permanent) medium that enables copying, accessing or transmission of the work by others, it is considered to be fixed into a tangible medium.
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Again. Please replace everything you just said except instead of âcodeâ, write ânovelâ and" Nvidia" insert âauthorâ.
Imagine they are typing it in libre office instead of a typewriter.
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Yes, and there is property rights in that medium.
However, if I make a copy, how did that alter your medium?
In your view, does a novel have no intrinsic value other than the cost of the paper it is printed on? Is the authorâs skill and labor worth nothing?
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I think you fail to understand the copyright laws. 
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Do I have to?
Okay.
If I type a novel in LibreOffice, I save it onto my physical hard drive. I own that drive.
Now you make a copy of that novel and store it on your hard drive. I still have my copy, you have your copy. No theft happened. You can read your copy and I can read my copy without coming into conflict. Therefore, there is no property in that novel.
You can make as many copies of that novel and give it to whomever you want, you have not taken anything from me.
The problem arises if you claim that you wrote that novel and not me. Thatâs plagiarism. I have a problem with that because that is fraud. You deceive other people when you say you wrote it. Not because youâve taken anything from me, you havenât.
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You have way more patience to entertain this stupid debate than I doâŚ
EDIT: The title and where the conversation devolved is hilarious and reminded me of this.
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Nothing from you. But if that book was sold for $1000 to a publisher, you have now taken $1000 from that novelist if the publisher no longer is willing to pay for it since itâs now given to anyone else free by you.
The value of that intellectual property has been stolen. By one, by many. But itâs gone what once was.
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Who is talking about value? Value is subjective, you value some things, I value other. Value is not intrinsic to things.
Btw, completely irrelevant to this discussion, but labour itself has no value. If I dig a hole and fill it back in, and repeat that a hundred times, I worked a lot, but nothing of value was produced.
I am not taking about value, I am talking about property. It has nothing to do with value.
If I make a copy of your novel, you can still value your copy the same as you did before. Nothing was taken from you.
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You would own a work that you did not create, and you did not compensate the creator for.
Some people create things for free; others wish to get paid for their time and effort.
If labor has no value, try getting septic tanks emptied without paying someone to do it.
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@Kresimir
Copyright is in the creativity and the expression, not what you can hold in your hands. So just because you canât touch something doesnât mean it isnât protected by copyright.
I disagree with you on your idea that copying something is meaninglesss, has no value âŚ
That is why the copyright laws exist.
The fact someone wishes something has no bearing on whether he has the right to demand it. I wish many things, too.
What the publisher is buying is the exclusive right to print that book. But the novelist has no right to sell that, because he does not own that. If you are going to make an argument that the novelist has the right to prevent me from using my ink and my paper in some specific way, then we are completely abandoning any pretence of property rights.
In order to claim that the novelist has the right to prevent me from printing the book he wrote with my ink on my paper, you are sacrificing my property rights to tangible goods, in order to support a âproperty rightâ to something that is not tangible at all â an idea.
This argument is identical to this: âif you free the slave, you have stolen the value from the slave ownerâ.
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Change your thinking âŚ
Change your life âŚ
You donât always have to be right!
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