Any and all 3D apps that run thru WINE lag

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For example, Roblox just stutters ALL THE TIME when under windoze it runs fine.

Same with Ultimate Doom Builder, but its 3D mode is downright unusable.
Which is a shame since UDB has some nice features like making doors that usually work.

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If things don’t work correctly under WINE then using Windows is a reasonable workaround…

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Have you tried switching to the modesetting driver to see if that helps?

sudo pacman -R xf86-video-intel

Then reboot.

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Never!

The only reasonable workaround is to mess with configs and wine prefixes, sometimes for hours upon hours, until you either get it working or convince yourself that you don’t really need it and give up. There is no third option! :rofl:

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Grapejuice (you are using it, right?) allows you to change render backends. Try using Vulkan, switch to OpenGL if you are not satisfied and if that fails too use DX11 with DXVK enabled. One of these should work.

For other games, make sure you install DXVK to your prefix.

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Yes I use Grapejuice.

My crappy iGPU doesn’t support Vulkan, Garuda had this weird lavapipe thing.

See this, I messed around with renderers and got almost nothing.

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It sorta helps. But I still get stuttering in Ultimate Doom Builder when i’ve only made 1 room, with NO custom textures, and it stutters when I move or turn. It sucks, considering that the slade3 map editor isn’t nearly as good. (when it works normally ofc)

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Yeah tbh I don’t want to reboot every time I want to play Roblox or make a Doom map then inevitably rage quit.

VMs aren’t an option bc my PC is a real potato.

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I am not a wine expert so someone might have other ideas but I would say that wine is an emulation layer and your PC specs are borderline so it might be too much to ask.

That being said, does it work for you on any other distros or are they all the same performance-wise?

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On garuda it kinda still sucked. any other distro I can’t say anything as none touched my HDD.

I thought WINE was

Wine
Is
Not an
Emulator?

And you all know I’m not going back to Debian/Ubuntu and apt, you know. It makes me shudder…

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I wasn’t suggesting you switch. I was just thinking that if it worked well on another distro, we should be able to make it work here too.

On the other hand, if that is the max performance you can get on any distro, it probably won’t be any different here.

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TBH I do have openSUSE tumbleweed in my ventoy.

Maybe that ought to work?

But this baffles me, Windwoes handles these not at all demanding apps fine, is WINE slowing it down that much? if it did reports of Linux gaming faster than windwoes would be impossible.

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So, this wasn’t due to Latte dock?

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True, but now the problem reappeared and I don’t have latte dock. Even then in my less-than-3-hours dualboot of both I think I still had slight lag IIRC.

Oh and disabling the compositor does nothing.

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Your iGPU supports Vulkan. Search “n3710” (your processor model) in that page and you will see you have HD Graphics 405 with support for Vulkan 1.1, exclusively on Linux.
If you didn’t have Vulkan support I would agree with jonathon but we have a choice here.

Install necessary packages for Vulkan;

sudo pacman -R vulkan-swrast
sudo pacman -S --needed mesa lib32-mesa vulkan-intel lib32-vulkan-intel vulkan-icd-loader lib32-vulkan-icd-loader vulkan-tools

Then check Vulkan is working, you are supposed to see a spinning cube:

vkcube

Now try different renderers again on Roblox and install DXVK to your other games’ prefixes.

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1st command, pacman complained that didn’t exist.
2nd command worked.
vkcube also worked with no visible stuttering.

Installed Bottles, installed DXVK for the bottle, ran Ultimate Doom Builder, and absolutely nothing has changed about the performance. Still have to test roblox.

On that Garuda thread my system was also getting hot, which means that some how Linux isn’t cooling my system properly. Maybe another DE?

Roblox wasn’t ideal, but it was playable. Around 20fps in untitled tag game, and EVERYTHING that wasn’t the physics line was at most orange. The physics line was green :slight_smile: I guess my PC is good at roblox physics lol.

In UNOfficial, it lagged a bit at times but since it’s a turn based game it’s no biggie.

Ultimate Doom Builder 3D mode is still downright unusuable.

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When I tried downloading some windows only source ports, I noticed a dxvk log file in the directory, this should mean DXVK is working, correct?

btw this is when I installed DXVK thru winetricks to WINEPREFIX.