1984 style censorship

There’s a lot of opinion based assertions here. And I guess there’s also on my side.

I do not agree with your opinions and apparently you do not agree with mine. That’s OK. We said our piece. We can now, if we so choose, move on to more productive endeavours :slight_smile: (Which I choose to do).

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btw, just think about it in a closer example than US president, imagine that my last big post in this thread was removed or censored immediately without you ever knowing it’s content.

You would see only Beardedgeek72 opinion and would think that i’am someone truly horrible not deserving to have discussion with, who have violated all rules of community etc.

While in reality it can’t be further from the truth.
Therefore if you can see something, and not someone’s opinion about something that is not there anymore - you can only then truly know what you want to do and form your own opinion / actions.

P.S. @anon31549144 True, and thank you for being respectful and polite, that is rare quality this days :+1:

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Which rule of the forum did the post violate? Or are you just reporting things you disagree with?

I was asleep at the time this all happened but reading it now I would agree that it is violation of our community guidelines.

Referencing a current political situation and then saying “it isn’t political”, doesn’t actually make it not political. It literally contains a tweet from the current president of the US.

Also, at least in the US, this is a current political and controversial subject. I can’t explain it more clearly than that without breaking the rules myself but if you would like I would be glad to discuss it further with you in a PM.

I understand the intent of @keybreak’s post is to discuss censorship and not politics but in this particular instance the two are not easily separable especially when laid out so directly.

Personally, I agree with most of what is written in that post and I have serious concerns about the implications of it all. However, if the question is “Does the post violate our community guidelines?”, my personal opinion is that it does in pretty clear and obvious way.

To be 100% clear, discussing censorship is not the problem here. The direct political references are the problem.

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Point taken. Perhaps it would be prudent for @keybreak to clear up the post of the current political references, because the points he made there are all excellent, and it is a pity (and very ironic) to have that post censored.

I mean, i can remove it, but that’s kinda the whole point - if people missed it then they won’t ever find what happen and why it wasn’t anything out of touch with reality or violent.

@dalto is this better?

What we are witnessing in real time is how a narrative is created by the big tech, by censoring one side of the story and promoting another.

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While I tend to agree with a lot of what you said @keybreak (being very libertarian myself), it’s pretty much universal across the board, politics isn’t super well accepted here. Especially those of us who aren’t far left or right. We’re pretty much hated by both sides. No reason to take a stance here. Let’s just mod computers for fun and security. The voices of many say they want change, but their actions say they want someone else to do it. The world doesn’t want to be saved. No sense trying to help folks who won’t help themselves.

Every day I feel like I’m the guy standing on the Titantic drinking the top shelf bottle of single malt while that band very famously played until the final hour as it sank into it’s own demise. Enjoy the music, and the fantastic drink and the sun setting over the ocean that will kill you.

Cheers.

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You’re very right in saying that voices of many want some hero on a hill to do everything for them, but that times are very gone (they were never there actually, but still there was a massive illusion).

That is very true my libertarian :robot: friend, however:

There is always someone standing in front of a tank on Tiananmen square, for that reason.
Probably giving some courage and hope to those who stand nearby, even if this Titanic is already underwater.


I hope that more and more people will see in realtime things for what they are.

And better fast, coz people who can actually deliver some coherent thought, glimpses of real news or just document all of this - are getting banned massively.

I really do hope that things like Signal, Matrix, LBRY will take off, because of their de-centralized nature.

Internet gotta be territory of freedom A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace i still remember 90s :upside_down_face:

We grow up believing in fairy tales. As a child, we’re told that Robin Hood is a hero because he robs from the rich to give to the poor. He’s not, he’s just a criminal.

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In some interpretations, he returns the taxes stolen from the people. That’s the kind of Robin Hood I can get behind.

Taxation is theft. :wink:

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I thought about that and it obviously makes sense to a degree. It is very obvious to me though, that one can reference a current political situation to analyze linguistics, methods of communication, social phenomenons, censorship et cetera without explicitly or indirectly promoting his own political stances.

Unlike big tech CEOs:

But as reprehensible as the actions of Donald Trump are, the rampant use of the internet to foment violence and hate, and reinforce white supremacy is about more than any one personality

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Mozilla SUCK.
How about they maybe once in 5 years just shut up on their grift-activism, stop sellout to Google and actually continue to make their own browser good?

But i guess it’s price you pay to get in bed with Google, you start to dictate users who or what you should see and read.

Browser advocating for censorship and algorithms of suppression… :man_facepalming: :woman_facepalming:
By date it is the most disgraceful page of Mozilla’s history, shame on them.

I’d rather use text-browser, than that crap.


It’s digital billionaires coup.

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That isn’t the point. The rules about politics are not about not promoting a position. They are about the fact that political discussions are almost always divisive and controversial.

Ultimately, the purpose of the forum is to discuss Endeavouros. While we allow and encourage people to be off-topic and have fun, anything that directly detracts from the core goal we do not allow.

Because of this, divisive conversations involving religion, politics or other controversial subjects are not allowed here. Many people come here to have fun and talk about Linux and escape from the anger and controversy that is pervasive in other mediums.

Even though it is frustrating to some of you who enjoy debating these topics, those are the ground rules we try to play by here.

Since it seems it won’t be possible for this topic to continue right now without the current politics getting in the way, I think we need to close this for the time being.

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