i find personal we should keep simple just needed actually not huge things like libreoffice, even i think videoplayers can be installed to end users lot of things are also subjective, text editor packages for the wm terminal but mayby good picviewer and some information…
Agreed, please, keep it minimal. Libreoffice is too much.
I don’t know what the team is planning to do, but i3wm comes preconfigured.
I can’t speak for the ‘majority’ of potential users (to say the least) but it seems to me there are two main categories most likely to be ‘in the market’. There are those who already have a setup they like, and are looking at this as a way to skip the manual install. They should be capable of making any changes they see fit regardless of what is defaulted in.
The second category attracted to this would seem to me to be the ‘curious’ - at least that’s one way to put it. The like the idea of trying it out to see what the ‘fuss’ is about. For these people, a basic but fully functional system would create the best experience. Not loaded, but completely workable basis for then adding in the packages they need to have for the things they do with the system. Much the same way the themed XFCE gives users a strong starting point.
A great deal of the value of this kind of setup comes from the example of the configuration files and how they work. IF a few things - like automounting external drives - are handled in the shipped configs, so much the better. Appearance is not as important(!) as everyone has their own ideas on that anyway - but the basic functions (terminal w/accessible preferences, file manager, firefox, usable text editor (micro? nano? leafpad?) that can handle sudo usage) - given that, the ‘fun’ can begin with a useful base - and with the tools to accomplish whatever goals they come up with. Oh - and the Welcome app too, of course. I think even those who don’t use it (much) can appreciate what it does!
I don’t know if this matches up with the philosophy of EndeavourOS overall - or with the plans of the devs! - but if these things (WM’s) are going to be added it seems to me that would be how they best should be… and with the best chance of impressing without overwhelming OR alienating potential ‘consumers’.
Well said.
This gets interesting with a WM. I would agree that it doesn’t need some special EOS specific theme applied but it should be themed enough so that all the applications look correct and mostly the same. You don’t want, for example, no icon theme selected causing apps to be missing icons or your gtk apps to have a light theme and your qt apps a dark one.
Like i said …“Build it right and they will come”!
The king of Flameshot is the Red Arrow !
What attracts people to EndeavourOS is the not only the friendly community but the ability to install Arch without having to figure it out. So i believe that users who would like to try another deskstop that is unfamiliar to them would do so knowing that they can not only install it easily but also use it without the same hassle they would have installing Arch. So i believe it does need to be kiss and user friendly but also have the same familiarity that they are used to. When someone mentions EndeavourOS they know what you are talking about. It’s the brand…something that’s relatable that is remembered and instantly recognizable.
If a new-ish Arch user is keen to try a WM, I suggest it needs to look like something useable on reboot. A basic Openbox is blank. I believe that Openbox is the ideal starting point for a WM-only installation, but it must have a bar and a decent terminal. Tint2 is perfectly OK, but xterm is too small ‘out-of-the-box’ for decent use. You could include rxvt-unicode (urxvt) with a sensible .Xresources configuration. I suggest that PCMANFM (with xdg-user-dirs installed) would also be useful. After that, the world is your oyster and a new user should be encouraged to experiment with configurations and different apps. I am in agreement with other contributers who suggest that a WM installation is more for the curious than the newbie.
Who uses sway here?
I was testing yesterday and still had to install xorg-wayland to use some xorg packages, browsers, file manager, text editor. Of course i’m used with some of them, takes time to adapt to others.
I’d have to use gnome/plasma packages to keep wayland based?
I used alacritty terminal (wayland), but in the end had to install tilix (X11).
I noticed now there is bemenu which is a wayland replacement for dmenu, nice.
Xorg programs were a little slower at launch, but maybe is because i tested on VM.
i dont know sway much but is also didnt took my keyboard setting
Yes, as it doesn’t use Xorg settings need to set on sway config file…
A little off topic but I would like to see just a choice of a base install of Arch using EndeavourOS installer with no WM.
The “Base-devel + Common packages” (https://github.com/endeavouros-team/install-scripts/blob/master/netinstall.yaml) should give just that? Or did you mean something even more minimal?
Just the Base-devel.
Not even xorg.
Basically build what you want from scratch.
Well, I installed EOS only once and building what I want on what I got But I think everything should be uncheckable in the net-installer…
It’s even possible to get a (almost) pure Arch (Fresh install, Vanilla Arch?)
If you’re looking for that, perhaps you can take look at our friends:
Or just use the zen installer.
I’ve read now your post. I’m using sway from one month or more. It’s working very fine
but I had to install xorg-wayland
I’m using sakura terminal and bemenu instead of dmenu
Nice!
How about text editor and file manager for example, are you using some gnome/plasma package to keep it “more wayland”?