Try Linux, EOS too

There really isn’t much need for a terminal in everyday use, but Linux not only needs to be able to be used, it needs to be operated.

I’ve always looked at the Amiga with admiration for how good a windowed graphical interface it is. I never had the opportunity to use it.

The really impressive thing is how efficient it is - the OS - running - originally fit into 512K! the extras fit on a floppy. I ran a ‘beast’ of an Amiga, with 7 Megabytes of RAM… I ended up making a RAMdisk for the entire OS and extras and some working files because I had so much extra space, even when multi-tasking. If you want a smile, google up a description of AmigaDOS commands - imagine a list (ls) command that could be run to check how the wildcards work, then re-run with an option to automatically create a batch file (script) for you!

Yes, I loved it - but Microsoft killed it essentially - well, that and the push for volume instead of quality to knock off the Mac…(sigh)

I have seen info about emulators (Vbox equivalents I guess) so you could perhaps try it out - I still have compilers, assemblers, desktop publishers, paint progs, Inkscape equivs, Pro editors, Word processors, spreadsheets - oh - and about 1100 games! (some of them even packaged)

I absolutely agree, but it is yet to happen to a system I didn’t mess about with. Most, if not all of the breakages, we bring onto ourselves. This is my experience at least.

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Even if it is true, ignorance is not a solution. And, in my opinion. often the source of the problems. Most of the things I learned about Linux were due to the issues I (and other people) had. The only real reason to chroot (except while actually installing Arch) for me though was when my wireless driver didn’t work, which is not really a breakage I suppose.
But still, it is better to mess with the system and being able to fix it (or at least attempt to do so) than doing nothing and hope that everything is going to be OK.

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I really liked the Archimedes, I had an A3000 RISC OS was pretty awesome.

To me EOS isn’t something I’d recommend to a newbie. That’s not the power of it. While I can do my work on many distros, I want the cutting edge stuff so I can run as many windows games as possible, plus take advantage of improvements in emulators as quickly as possible. For that access to aur-git is very important to me.

No absolutely not, and I never said that. :slight_smile:

Just to make it clear, I would never recomend a beginer an Arch based system, if I don’t know them well, would think that it wouldn’t suit them well, and without being able to offer them support.

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I agree with your statement but been an Arch user for years now and seen how many people who claimed they used the arch wiki to install arch and also claimed that their 1st install of Linux was arch. I maybe wrong but I think it’s easier to learn your 1st Linux os than it is to go from deb to arch or the other way around. Then again Linux came very easy for me. ( maybe because I’m a old fart )

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I think it depends on the person. Not all computer users have the same grasp when it comes to learning some of these things. Having said that i do have some people who never used Linux before and i migrated them from Windows to Mint, Manjaro, MX, Antergos, Arch and now EOS. But it wasn’t an easy task and they are quite happy as long as things work. They can do terminal commands for installing and updating but do need help at times. I think the progression helped a lot because going straight to Arch would not have worked out.

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I believe that a person learns more by reading the wiki’s than having someone who gives then the answer or shows them how to do it. :wink:

I agree you have to read things. Sometimes over and over. But you can read all you want and if you don’t understand what your reading you need someone to explain what it means and show you. This part of the problem with the Arch wiki. Ya it’s great and it has more information than you can take but a lot of it is technical jargon that is overwhelming. It spews information but not necessarily going to help if you don’t know what it’s telling you. Not saying it’s bad it’s just the way it is. Not all people are going to learn something from reading it. I’m not saying just give them the answer but showing them and explaining the who,where, what, when and why. :wink:

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The Amiga is truly a wonderful world, especially after Commodore.

The same thing happened with OS / 2 Warp.

Archwiki is all about telling you how to do something, but it actually quite rarely explains things in details. For that it’s better to read man or info pages, which are dead boring for the 99% of humanity :smile: I do read them though… :unamused:

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This is exactly what happened on Sunday, when an error occurred while updating Debian Sid packages, when it was not possible to update due to a package break: I found an error report from someone else within an hour, and in the meantime the error was fixed.

i was always a happy xubuntu user after opensuse install in the past…but next planning is to install xubuntu LTS 18 remove all the meta packages what not needed just make like vanille… then upgrade to 20.x im curius if all comes back :slight_smile:

I think these people were pretty docile, but that’s variable.

People need to be led to read, and that obviously depends on the interest.

Basicly every beginner need to be baptized by the big pinguin :slight_smile:

distrohopping can learn much, but playing in Virtualbox/VM’s can help a lot… to fix & play your system as a second nature… that level is not so easy to come… but helps much if you look for issues on google, in one view to see it can or not… thats sometimes dificult to understand…thats you always need by a rolling distro’s on the edge… More scheduled based distro’s has that bit less but it can happends sometimes too intoo issues…

as for hardware too new hardware suck also :slight_smile:

but as a beginner distro is basicly in my opinion not to much distro’s… beginners should atleast work around on a Lts based distro… en move up in time as a nice progression… progression is always the key.

Many times old hardware can suck. Especially when looking at the latest kernels. For me, for example, the EOS does not freeze only when booted with the LTS kernel.

The change from the 2000s is that there are more and more desktop Linux distributions. I think they’re pretty beginner-friends already. At the time, I learned to use Debian on a console. Desktop then didn’t work very well. Even a kernel had to be compiled. There is no need for that today.