I’ve been following this thread from a distance and I understand the vision of having Pamac installed by default.
In the wake of this thread, @manuel created a wiki page on package managers, which I applaud, but what I don’t understand is why it should be so difficult to read the Yay wiki page?
If a user reads that, they also have the knowledge to install Pamac and there are no additional steps to activate it at boot permanently.
I also often read that community members get redirected to a manual about a certain issue or new app, while that info is also on our wiki or Discovery.
Apparently users don’t mind reading up on something, except when it’s in front of their nose the whole time.
I really like to understand this way of thinking to improve Endeavour, so it isn’t a criticism.
@JR29, the community here is 90% made of old Antergos users, as EOS has taken life on the Antergos forums. As I said earlier, the philosophy of EOS is not identical with that of Antergos. Antergos was somewhere in between Manjaro and EOS. A middle ground. The new direction and philosophy adopted by EOS was not the product of the community as a whole, but of a small part of the community. EOS is not the continuation of Antergos as many Antergos users hoped it would be (despite that this was made clear for anyone who took the time to read the article saying as much on the EndeavourOS website, it’s still possible not many have ever read that article). Bottom line is: Antergos simply died, leaving a bit of a vacuum behind. The community migrated to EOS because of that void. Please keep all this in mind when you say our OS. The community here is not of a mind.
I have outlined the facts above to point out they are food for endless philosophical discussions on these forums. I don’t think this is in any way productive and therefore I recommend stopping any conversation where users are criticizing other users for their ways of tinkering with their own systems or their view of how things should be done or their philosophy.
To search for packages and their dependencies I use pkgbrowser, and to install, update or clean, I use yay.
Installing EndeavourOS should be as lean as possible.
Nobody has the power to do that (i.e. break the work of the dev team), because the devs know what they are doing and make decisions for themselves as part of a larger strategy, so don’t worry about that. I’m more concerned about calling people names like lazy or trolls because it does nothing to improve the community.
that’s the archlinux spirit, if you don’t like going to play in your sandbox "humor back on manjaro or on a debian basis"this is my last comment on this thread
I love yay. I can install everything on a dime. Select yay -S pamac-git and when it’s installed …arrow up and backspace type in the next package and install then arrow up and enter the next and so on. It’s extremely fast. 20 packages later…all done.
Tip: try yay search-term: it will search and display all packages containing ‘search-term’ in package name or package description and offer to install any or all of them by selecting the package. It brings software discovery to command line.
Example:
$ yay pamac
$ yay audio
$ yay audio codec
The first one is almost equivalent to your yay -Ss pamac, but it offers the option to install any of the matched packages. you can even specify more packages to install: simply type the numbers separated by comma like this: 1,2,4-6
The second one will list more than 1000 packages
The last one will search for packages containing the two search terms.
If you want to search for more than one package let’s say you want to install LAMPP stack: yay php,mariadb,apache --> this is different from yay php mariadb apache which will search packages containing all searchwords (space works as AND and comma as OR)
Today someone might want to include pamac in the EOS standard. Next day another one wants octopi when choosing Plasma DE in the netinstaller since pamac does not look nice. On another day someone likes snap and/or flatpak activated by default…this would lead to a Manjaro clone in my opinion. I totally agree with @manuel and you on the point that all the information on using yay and thus installing pamac is so close there is no need to change anything in this respect.
@ricklinux I hadn’t thought about that. I just took a peek, and it looks like the dev version is just very slightly behind the non-dev version. Do you find that is generally the case? Have you had any problems with the dev version that you have not had with the non-dev version? I might uninstall the snap version and give spotify-dev a try. Thanks for the info!
Currently the normal spotify is working i think but, sometimes i have gone to install it and the key is out of date so i install the dev version. I didn’t see any difference but i really wasn’t looking. Try the normal version first and see if it is working.
Since I do this via automation, I prefer not to try one then another. I know I could script it, but I’d prefer to just use what works, which is why I’m currently installing it via snapd.
