Hello there, as per the title, we could do a sort of survey asking the EOS community if there are applications that they would like to see already installed on the system (or have the possibility of installing them and finding them already at the first system startup).
For example, given the recent events with Firefox and its terms of use, I would like to have the possibility of an alternative already installed instead of Firefox.
Then, as far as I’m concerned, I wouldn’t mind having a suite like Libreoffice already installed. Also in this area, we could ask the community which suite we can have already installed.
This for various useful software perhaps. What do you think?
I think allowing users to choose what they want individually is still the best practice. Doing either a custom install or a package list install after is fairly simple and I believe keeping the OS minimal encourages people to learn how to use their system.
While very similar they are two different things. One is asking about making Default Selections in the Install process and the other is more a General topic on what each applications the user uses across all distro’s.
And as a reminder, EndeavourOS is only providing a base Desktop install, minimal to start adding what you personal need. Adding options is always adding something that could add issue. In addition there is a tool to install common apps mentioned from an easy GUI after booted into fresh install, reachable from welcome app…
I have always said and would love to see yay removed from installs. But the less the better. That’s the point. You should never have to uninstall from an install, only build. That is exactly what made EOS great.
Open to discussion of course, but I would personally consider yay, a sane default.
When managing “newbie” questions in particular, it’s nice to be able to lean on it as something I know is installed on their system, and available to them. I’d hate to be, “if you have this then…”, “or this then…”.
Opening up the AUR without knowing the warnings that go into it isn’t ideal. Lots of new users even if they aren’t the intended user, have no idea the consequences of AUR nor how it works. Requiring them to build 1 AUR package, even if it’s a walk through witha disclaimer would bring a lot of benefits to new users, and understanding of how packages work and why you shouldn’t blindly trust it.
It’s not open to discussion. We talked about it years ago.
It pretty much reads above. I wanted EOS to ship 0 AUR packages instead of 1. It would be beneficial for the unintended new users who made it here and if they did It would help people understand the AUR more. The security implications. How to build a package, etc.
Why Arch does’'t just ship yay to build immediately from the AUR . . .
Anywyas, you can search for it. I don’t have any place making recommendations here anymore. Other than a couple threads from the past, I"m not much of a user these days. It’s up to folks to who EOS now.
When one was still able to climb Uluru (Ayers Rock), they first had to climb, unaided, an initial section dubbed Chicken Rock. It had no chain to help them as the higher sections did. If one could not negotiate Chicken Rock, they weren’t really in any position to be attempting a climb to the top.
Perhaps manually installing one’s first package from the AUR, might serve a similar purpose.
Not sure about that, if newbies simply follow the wiki, they will understand you just need a git clone and a makepkg -si to install any AUR package, even if they don’t care about package building and security.
