That’s what i do. No vpn and no pay for uncertainty! ![]()
Things are changing in Germany. I would add the the EU space is becoming very ‘user-unfriendly’.
They aren’t. There is a possibility that the BGH decides something. This is still not the case, so please do not state is as a fact. Correct would be: “Could change in the future”. But there are already at least tow entities sharpening their blades on this issue, ready to take it in front of the EUGH: Digitalcourage and noyb.eu.
At all who is not german: German law making is VERY slow. Painfully slow. Anything that is connected to personal rights must at least be a BGH decision that stood strong against a revision until it could be called a legal fact - anything else is just preparation for this, or as we germans say: Vorgeplänkel. Sad but true. Slow, yes, but this makes our legal system quite strong, because there are so many checks and balances. And then comes the EU, as cherry on top. Even slower than before, but often the corrective which is needet.
And, at the end, my question still stands: Any better idea with better protection of the customer and better business ground for the service provider than germany? Let me know, I will instantly transfer my online services over there.
Didn’t they recently change the weapons act pretty quickly (within a few weeks) because of a certain air gun? Just an example.
Just after the sentences you have quoted comes the explanation why your example is invalid as counter-argument to my argument. context does matter.
What is changing? You are sharing a link about a lawsuit between two companies. This is about a copyright case in combination with ad blockers. Axel Springer vs. Eyeo (Ad Block Plus). The case already started in 2019! They already had two rulings in two instances before who rejected the claim from Axel Springer. But Axel Springer didnt like the ruling they they are appealing again.
So what is changing in Germany? What is your point?
Looks like some people got offended because I brought up this case in Germany.
What I meant, as I said at the end of my comment, is that things are changing across the EU, not just in Germany. And it’s not something new.
That’s why Proton’s service will always run into challenges, no matter what country it operates in.
But the case you brought up is just not a good example about a change. It is a never ending law suit because Axel Springer does not want to accept the rulings of several courts. In fact, the case you brought up is a good example for no change. The first ruling from 2019 still stands.
Anyways, data privacy is challenged everywhere. That is true. But from my point of view Europe has the best rules in place for data privacy. I am not aware of any place in the world that has more user friendly data privacy rules.
And that was my point when I started this thread. Switzerland is not part of the EU and they do not have the GDPR. They have their own rules. These rules have not been a match to the GDPR in the past and are now being changed in a way that is far off from GDPR. As a consequence Proton is moving services out of Switzerland and eventually even the whole company is moving.
It was impossible for me to predict that the whole thing would turn into a debate about Germany with flimsy arguments.
I suggest that the moderators close this thread for good. It has served its purpose.