No Privacy Means No Democracy

THIS

For the “Nothing to hide, nothing to worry about” crew. You are part of the problem, and you were fooled by some government official or wealthy individuals into believing you can either trust them or don’t have to worry about them.

Your stubbornness and naivety will be used against you and everyone you love, if it’s not already. It’s not just about you.

It should be citizens who control the government, who control the businesses.
Not the reverse, which is bad for society.

Odysee:

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At the end we live in a particratie. We vote en we give power for who it uses it. But proving privacy etc it’s close to advertising lol

Unfortunate truth because most treat it like religion, as logic doesn’t matter, and they don’t want it to matter.

Voting is not something people do once every X years, though. Voting is a daily choice to accept that things can’t get better, agree with bad policies because it’s convenient not to care, etc., versus making the people currently in power see what you want by showing them rather than asking them.

We have all the power, but we like to say we don’t have any simply because using that power is inconvenient. Using that power means:

  • you have to go to community meetings and citizen assemblies to voice your opinions
  • you stop using the popular app/service simply because your “friends and family are there”, when really you only use it because it was shoved in your face and you like to go with the flow of whatever happens, again due to the inconvenience of doing things differently and due to widespread defeatism
  • holding yourself accountable for pretending that you have no power, and worse that even if everyone came together it wouldn’t make a difference - absolutely defeatist

Not sure that I understand this. What do you mean?

A part does follow but people don’t want to go in separate boards and vote. The balance is.more you vote for a party with some idealogy. At the end you have a gov.with 3 4 party’s context Is is law balanced but always bad

With advertising you want to.keep topic desperate a live lol
Ifnit privacy or political it can be poisonous on a point.

Yeah, no. I don’t understand what you’re saying.

Type it in Estonian, if that’s your native language. I will translate it.

Since we’re going there, I was watching something quite closely related yesterday

It’s a pretty interesting interview, and by interview i mean mostly just Edward Snowden talking about his experiences.

I could be wrong, but I wonder if @ringo is noting your zeal for the topic, and your bumping of it :thinking:

For the record @ddnn, I appreciate the points you raise :wink:

Oh. Maybe. Not too sure about “zeal”, though. I prefer strong interest. :sweat_smile:

The fact that I, a human, cannot watch this video on Youtube until I sign in (and therefore expose myself to tracking) seems oddly apt :stuck_out_tongue:

Thankfully Odysee exists.

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Yep. Google has been stepping up their efforts to know who is doing what.

The other day I tried to view the comments about something from the Play Store, and it required me to sign in just to see the page. Of course, I didn’t because while I still have an account, I avoid using it as much as possible.

It could be that the site required me to sign in because I am always using VPNs, Firefox containers, etc., but I don’t care to test it.

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Yeah I use VPNs for all browsing activities now: safing portmaster on my laptop and Protonvpn on my phones.

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Then don’t do it! :wink: Your choice.

Maybe its the way you come across, but I think tthe above quoted idea is a perfectly valid sentiment. For a person to choose not to consider privacy a problem, or rather, not to jump on your bandwagon, is well within their rights, and for you to condemn those who choose not to consider your concern their concern seems arrogant to say the least. In recent years there s plenty of examples of ideas forced down peoples throat along with the expectation that it is the correct choice, and any other opinion is immediately shot down. In my view the freedom of choice seems more basic of a right than expecting privacy. Not to say privacy doesnt matter. It certainly does, though, it means many different things to many different folks.

I agree 100%. I also don’t think that just because you don’t have privacy based on what some feel privacy is or ought to be that you don’t have democracy. :wink:

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Not for nothing, but it sounds like you guys have completely missed the point.

There are plenty of countries that have converted from democracy to autocracy in recent years, and plenty more where the right to privacy is gone. Everything a person does is monitored and tracked. People can be prosecuted for what they say, believe, or think. It is nice for you that you are privileged enough to say you don’t care about your right to privacy, but millions and millions of people do not have that right at all.

It sounds like you guys are trying to respond to the points made in the linked videos without actually watching them. The TL;DR regarding why everyone’s privacy should matter to everyone is that if too many people allow themselves to be fooled into thinking their right to privacy doesn’t matter, it could lead to that right being lost for all of us.

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No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

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You are incorrect in saying i don’t care about my right to privacy. Also i never watched the videos and i have no intention of doing so. Not the case at all. I just disagree with the statements being made. Secondly I’m not being fooled by anything. I care about my right to privacy and I agree with what @sempterobit said. It has nothing to do with not caring about my privacy or being fooled.

Edit: I personally have no use for these type of topics. I’m not the kind of person who is going to be swayed by watching videos or being told how I should think or what i should believe. And no I’m not privileged. :unamused:

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I don’t know anything about you beyond what you share here, so I will address this generally.

If you fall into any group below, you are privileged in some way:

  • You are white
  • You are living in a country that has profited greatly from slavery and as such has had a head start on all other now sovereign nations
  • Your country has laws to protect you from over-zealous data collection by businesses
  • You aren’t living hand to mouth
  • Your country doesn’t block all VPNs, or worse, outlaw them
  • You have access to the internet whenever you feel like it
  • You aren’t constantly worried about possibly dying from a gunshot, bomb, missile, etc.
  • You can speak about your government negatively without fearing imprisonment
  • You can visit websites without geo-restrictions
  • You can be paid by anyone in the world, and maybe even use any online payment platform if you feel like it
  • Neither the US nor Chinese governments dictate the pace at which your government develops
  • You have the freedom to move about when you feel like it, not just going to live in another city or traveling, but even basic things, like going to the supermarket
  • You have more than 2 cable, internet, or telecoms providers in your city or region. This would be the same for those who have more than one electricity, gas, etc. providers

I could really go on here. Like for a long while, too. Every time I think of hitting enter to post my reply, I think of something else I could add.

The fact is that everyone has some form of privilege at varying levels. People who say they don’t have any or what you said, are either trying to pretend (or downplay) or they don’t appreciate it properly. And by extension, don’t care about the privilege others lack.

In any case, whether you acknowledge that you are privileged or not, and whether you believe your small decisions make a difference or not is up to you.

And it will be up to you until it’s not.

Unless you’re old and probably won’t be around in 20 years to regret them. In which case, I understand why you play things down. Don’t agree with it, but I understand.



Anyway, I have 16 replies on this, so I’m only posting info from here on out.
Everything that needs to be said has been said or can be watched/listened to.

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Wows. Shyt is getting deep. Glad I have my hip waders on. :smirk: