(Warning, I am pissed of by the situation, so quite some rude language included - don’t mean to offend anyone)
I would like to get rid of thunderbird as my E-Mail program of choice.
Reasons why I want to leave tbird behind:
Mozilla is getting more and more fishy
Thunderbird now annoys me with a systray icon - srsly, wth.
Accepting Invites in tbird via mail needs three clicks - wait, what?
The interface gets more and more clunky
The app itself is nowadays kinda slow
So, I used tbird like forever, when it was actually called firebird. But those days are long gone. I wanted to leave it behind for quite some time, tried once or twice, always came back to it because the alternatives felt worse. But now there was another nail to it’s coffin, the systray icon is annoying. So here we are again, this time qith the help of the almighty EOS forums.
What I would love to see:
Something as convenient as outlook when it comes to PIP functionality
Does not annoy me with “secure login “features””
Works flawlessly with 7+ IMAP accounts
FOSS - not necessarily free of charge
Has a good contact Manager for IMAP contacts
Has a good calendar functionality
(integrates well with KDE - love to se qt decorations)
From top to bottom…
So, what I have tried:
K-Mail
I am a KDE user, so trying K-Mail was the easiest thing to do, right? Right? Nope, not at all. The setup-process for a new IMAP account alone let me abandon that thing. Whoever is responsible for this really needs to take a course in UX design. This felt like 1995.
Final killer was the need for kwallet to use this - nope, no kwallet for me, thing is annoying as hell.
So that rules out K-Mail.
Next up: Evolution
So, let’s tackle evolution next. Looks promising, nice GUI, but why keeps my KeePassXC wants to unlock (which it actually is…). And as soon as I add an IMAP account (quite easily done, almost as smooth as in tbird, no comparison to K-Mail) I get bothered by Keyring stuff. Why? Again no explanation, no UX explanation, just annoying popups. While evolution got the excuse of me not using gnome (and keyring is a thing over there) it does not help me a bit.
Evolution got removed as well (and only then KeyPassXC stopped to annoy me.
So here I am. I am not sure how to proceed from here, after some time of research anything I find seems to not suite my needs… halp?
Since you are using KDE, why don’t you just use the kde-pim project?
OK I only have one email address set up in kmail, everything else I use with tuta. But I have to say, my contacts, tasks and appointments with pim work perfectly. Hosted on a nextcloud server.
Do you want support for contacts and calendars and if so does it need to support both CalDav and CardDav or just one of the two?
Sounds more like an issue on Arch with your configuration, I don’t have that issue on Fedora with Evolution, something someone else can probably help you figure out here.
That basically is KMail. Wallet + account management from hell. Tried that, sucks for me.
Yes, calendars and contacts are a must. CalDav and CardDav are supported on my providers (mailbox.org) site, but I only use it on my phone (via DavX5). As long as the app can use IMAP for calendars and contacts I am fine.
Well, unless you use a brand new or “unofficial” Fedora you would be on gnome, so my problem shouldn’t occur on your side…
That’s why I said configuration since you are using KE Plasma.
From what I know about IMAP is that it’s only for syncing mail not for contacts and calendars, that’s what CalDAV and CardDav are for. So that sounds more like a yes to me that you also require support for those?
Just checked the settings on tbird, and yes, you are right, carddav and caldav support required, thanks for correction and giving me help here! Getting to learn is always appreciated!
The best mail client I ever used was Postbox,it’s brilliant.
But sadly it’s only for windows and mac ,so there’s that lol.
One could try it with wine or whatever, one …but not me
Oh ya ,just remembered why I ditched mailspring,it’s a bit resource heavy ,and sometimes it wouldn’t fetch/sync all emails . So I think I’ll just stay with TB for now.
I’ve tried basically all other clients for Linux ,with all of them there’s just something that I don’t like ,or it doesn’t work.
TB is at least doing the job …
Since I’m with Linux, I’m looking for the perfect email client. On Windows I used eM Client for years, and I’m sad, that there is and will be no Linux version.
So I tried nearly all the clients available on Linux. None of them worked for me. I never liked Thunderbird, no matter if I was on Windows or Linux. Mailspring is good, but I don’t like threading of emails, and it is not possible to disable that in Mailspring. Kmail … no way. As said above, it looks like the 90s.
Actually, I’m with Betterbird. Developers fixed bugs from Thunderbird that are known for years. And they added some new things in there. I still love eM Client and would switch as soon as there is a Linux version available. I got 2 lifetime licenses I’m not able to use.
I spent so much time trying out email clients … I think I have to admit to myself that there is currently no suitable email client for me on Linux …
I recently went through a similar state of being fed up with Thunderbird. A silly bug where new calendar invites were stuck with one of my more obscure aliases as the organiser. It wasn’t an uncommon bug but the best advice was to delete the whole Thunderbird profile and start again
I then gave KMail a serious go, completely migrating to it. I wasn’t too bothered by the old-school UI, but I was bothered by how it was formatting my outgoing emails. It was difficult to remain professional, particularly when discussing design with clients, with clunky looking emails. The separation of calendar and RSS wasn’t as ideal either.
In the end I gave Betterbird a go, which has been mentioned by others and yourself. I was expecting little more than Thunderbird in new clothes, but I was pleasantly surprised when I found it actually does perform notably better. So far, I’m sticking with it.
You know, it’s probably the most ubiquitous form of messaging used today, and yet it’s based on technology more than 40 years old. On one hand, it’s just text messages getting pushed around the place, and yet on the other hand, it’s infrastructure is complicated, fundamentally un-private, frequently exploited, and subject to the whims of big players like Microsoft, Gmail and Yahoo.
Mailspring only supports CarDav and not CalDav so probably not an option.
I’ve been trying out Evolution for the last week, once you get used to it’s still good same functionalities as Thunderbird and I tend to use my Roundcubemai client a lot since I mail more than I actually need to check my calendar or contacts since I use Nextcloud for that.
