I jumped from Manjaro to EOS at the same time as Jonathon (bless his soul). Between the irregularities, and the frankly laughable TLS situation, - I’m not sure the below will do much to wrest this away from the “owner” who is running it as a business while simultaneously running it into the ground. Still, it’s interesting to see the issues being acknowledged by the community team. Here’s hoping for the right people to take the best of what Manjaro was, while leaving behind the patently ridiculous bits. As it is, so much trust has been lost in the brand that I don’t think this is salvageable.
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Ok, since I’m just a person (and not representative of anything but myself), i can post a non-PC comment.
I don’t see any point of Manjaro as it has existed for some years. It’s a broken Arch derivative. They so far fail their premise that I will content that straight Arch is more ‘unbroken’ than all their levels of ‘testing’, etc. The idea is good, the execution has not been.
Ok, getting down off my soapbox.
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Yeah… that project is dead.
Nothing to see here
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I have read the manifesto. The situation looks similar to some other FOSS-projects were the property of the project was in the ownership of a company, e.g. the split of CoMaps from Organic Maps. Only if the company respects the community which is actively developing and gives back something to the community, a community will accept some decisions the company comes to.
Manjaro as it is today, yes. Let’s see, what happens in the future.
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It mostly hinges on the one stubborn man at the helm… he’s hard to read, he’s very talented and has good ideas - but his social skills are hopeless… They always were - and this is where most of the issues came.
Just being good at his job maintaining the distro isn’t a qualification for him to lead it. He needs to pass the buck on this, but I think he’s just ‘filtering out’ his messages and not responding after an initial ‘positive’ reply. Maybe he’s trying to get his head around how to manage it, who knows?
So there come the dark thoughts - lack of transparency… always looks like a negative trait (though it isn’t necessarily) and overall it seems rather sad.
I wonder if he’s just depressed about it and hiding away behind his keyboard hoping it’ll blow over… but if you separate him from this controversy there’s a lot of good in there.
It’s insane how some members support his position - it is understandable that he has a lot of moral support, people like him - and he often goes out of his way to pander to even the most minor requests from members.
I entered the discussion pointing out that whether or not you view past issues as a real problem, just the number of members who left - many cherished and valued members - was a real blow to the project. It needs to change and become a fresh and openly managed Community distribution not led by one person.
Most people who left will be impossible to replace, and it’s not as if they all ‘move on’ together; there were quite a few that came here, a bunch went off on a Garuda trip (too gaudy for my taste TBH) and quite a few others just disappeared into the ether… but who would bother to go back once they get comfortable with a new desktop…
We’ll probably know more in the near future - and hopefully if it gets reorganised, that could make some viral news for YouTube… but overall it’s quite a dark time. I picture Phil just sitting in a corner hiding away, feeling threatened that everyone’s trying to steal his baby.
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I just transformed my test laptop from manjaro to endeavorOS minutes ago, exactly because of this topic. The transformation requires small bits but it is generally easy to do.
First use https://github.com/fossabot/ManjarotoArch or https://github.com/Hebgbs/to-arch any of the two will do the trick. Don´t restart, as you will be left without kernel.
Secondly, configure properly pacman and install a lts kernel. Check that the grub is generated.
Finally, follow this great guide https://www.siberoloji.com/how-to-migrate-from-arch-linux-to-endeavouros/. I used option 2.
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@BishopWolf Welcome to the forum and the purple world! 
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Thanks for posting this news. Like others here, I left Manjaro for various reasons that others are well aware of - almost 2 years ago now. Still shocking that there seems to be open revolt over there…
I think my handle on that forum was MonkeyCat something or other if anyone remembers… probably not…
I still have a Powered by Manjaro sticker on my laptop, as it was the start of my “Arch” journey, now that I’m here happily using EOS with you all
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This looks like the perfect excuse to install EOS on my wife’s laptop.
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I came here to EOS from Manjaro. It was an unstable mess. Looks like I jumped ship just in time.
EOS has been an amazing transition…I’m home.
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Manjaro was a big part of my early Linux days (as in before EOS existed). And I didn’t go through a long distro-hopping phase. I was lucky to pick it early and it was great back then.
It also feels that a lot of people just have a hateboner for Manjaro, and imho a lot of past criticism was blown out of proportion. But Manjaro wasn’t able to keep up with the times. People at the top wanted it to be bigger than it could be - esp. on a commercial level. And it’s hard for founders to realize, admit and give up control if that dream doesn’t materialize.
Best of the luck to their community of users and (voluntary) maintainers.
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Wow. This document is a big hit!
At present time, given that we are in Stage 1, all Administrators, Moderators and Community Assistants are considered on strike.
@philm received a copy of this document 2 weeks ago and has yet to reply. Thus, we are now publishing it internally.
That is a mutiny. The captain is dead.
I was a long time manjaro user before I joined endeavouros. The issues I have experienced years ago seem to be the same today. I agree with comments that have been made before in this thread: The manjaro project is dead. From my point of view, it was dead already some years ago.
Manjaro started with the claim that they are more more stable than Arch linux because they put their own release process on top of arch linux. But that didnt work in the past and that’s why I am here. And it looks like it doesnt work today either.
The manifesto is talking a lot about organization. But it is not addressing the fundamental question: What do they want to be? Does Manjaro want to be a distro with a release cycle or do they want to be rolling release? I am afraid that there is very little room for another rolling release distro based on Arch. Distros like Endeavouros, Cachyos and Garuda cover a lot of uses cases.
And for a release cylce on top of Arch Linux Manjaro never had a proper QA process (Quality Assurance), Amateurs
RIP Manjaro.
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Manjaro died the day they axed their treasurer for him demanding that the treasury rules are also valid for the ceo…
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I won’t comment on the distro or the situation but I find the approach somewhat interesting.
It seems like it wouldn’t be that hard to simply create a fork with how many of the team members want to do something different. Trying to take the forum hostage seems like a unique approach.
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I have used Manjaro in the past, for a few months. I didn’t feel bad about it. But I used EOS, or Garuda for longer (but now I’m stuck with EOS, Arch and Debian).
Anyway, I find it interesting, but given the weekend I’m lazier than usual 
Can someone give me a summary of what happened and what led to the manifesto posted in the open post?
I haven’t followed these events much to find out anything.
I don’t know… in my own Linux journey, I came to the conclusion that Manjaro was a solution in search of a problem…
Why hold back stable updates for two months? Because the packages directly from the Arch repos are too unstable? Not that I’ve experienced and surely no one else here has either…
But I’m not a corporate client, which did seem increasingly the main focus over there… which is the main reason I took the leap into the unknown and ended up here, thank goodness…
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NAILED IT!!!
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Was that jonathon by that time?
It was. 
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I remember that time in July 2020 when a lot of Manjaro “refugees” entered the EOS forum …
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