I sometimes do not know where the mouse pointer is and then I press Meta-M which I have defined to display the mouse location (although just Meta also works).
But in my situation it doesn’t happen more than perhaps 5-7 times a day or so.
The only thing that matters to me is that it works. I don’t think there is anything wrong with X11 or Wayland. They’re just different in a lot of ways. There are problems with both. Some caused by outside issues such as Nvidia! Or other applications that haven’t caught up to Wayland. xeyes for example, simple screen recorder etc. If Wayland ends up replacing X11 because no one wants to develop it anymore there’s not much i can do about that or anyone else. What ever it is …it is! I’ll just roll along with it if I want to use linux. Otherwise i have a choice. Windoze!
It’s not a matter of catching up. I actually spoke with someone working on Wayland recently and when I told them about the scenario kresimir is trying to solve, he flat out told me he’s trolling.
And if he’s not, the reality of what he wants, is literally the opposite of what they are currently trying to achieve. If Wayland works properly, as per Wayland dev xeyes should be dead. He told me he actually uses xeyes - purely so he knows which things still need work because they are still on x11 lol.
This has nothing to do with Wayland. It is definitely not an Xeyes alternative for Wayland. There is nothing to try, unless someone comes up with an alternative that works on Wayland and is feature complete, which, according to Wayland developers, should be impossible. Until then, I already have Xeyes.
Yes, Wayland developers are utterly damaged people. Probably trauma from working on X. They are incapable of seeing any point of view that doesn’t align with their narrow-minded vision. They dismiss any criticism of their utterly insane, paranoid worldview as trolling.
As you’ve discovered yourself, no conversation is possible with these people.
Yeah, I love when people suggest to me “solutions” they’ve come up with in 5 seconds of goolag search (to the problem I don’t have), haven’t personally tried and have no idea whether they work, nor desire to actually find out, assuming that I am incapable of having done the same search in the last 2 or 3 years I’ve been looking into this matter.
I understand exactly where you are coming from. I personally don’t have an issue with Wayland other than i want programs to work with it. That becomes an issue like you say. But i have been using it and getting by even though there are some programs that I also would like to work on it too and they don’t at least currently.
The program is just an example. The point of it really is why it doesn’t work, not that it doesn’t work. Why it doesn’t work is the issue. It doesn’t work due to (very debatable) implemented security"features."
Without inherently changing a huge mind set and direction of the current development, every day they work, they get further from xeyes ever working.
That is actually a good point. As an end user, I shouldn’t really have to get all philosophical and defend my position every time I say that Wayland is inadequate for my use. Stuff doesn’t work - and in the end, that’s my only real problem with it (at least the only one that matters).
Until they make it work (if ever), I won’t be using Wayland. As long as I have X as a superior alternative, I’ll use that. Plasma is trying to force me to use Wayland, so I’ll stop using Plasma, I’m not married to it.
I agree with what you say. I never was a big supporter of Wayland to begin with. I have no issue with it . I just want it to work. I want all programs to work with it or have an alternative to switch to.
Even though I’m personally pro wayland (specifically judging according to my personal needs and only compared to X, not compared to some other currently non-existent alternative), I do not understand why they didn’t follow the “Android” model that @Kresimir mentioned above to accomodate everyone’s needs.
If there have been any relevant discussions in the wayland development threads and someone happens to have a link I’d be very interested in seeing their reasoning for turning it down if such discussion exists.
This is something that is actually debatable though. You can definitely have and should have an opinion on it. Or if you don’t care that’s fine too (since it’s opinion based not having one is also an option).
Because they are not interested in accommodating user’s needs. They say that quite explicitly. They have their narrow-minded vision and if you disagree, you’re a troll.