I strongly believe that the Arch Linux team has made some serious changes to their update policy

I disagree because i also used Antergos for a long time and never had the breakages that some people refer to. I never had the issues with the installer either. Then i was onboard with EndeavourOS from the beginning when Antergos ceased. I also have Nvidia graphics and it is rock solid not to say there haven’t been issues with Nvidia as there sometimes are. But there are more issues that i see with Intel and Hybrid graphics. I don’t think Arch hasn’t changed that much and when it does you are aware quite quickly.

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I think that’s because most of the software that we are using became more stable/mature, there are more devs around and there are more retired devs that know what they are doing

I think @dalto made an excellent point. When you are a newbie, every little issue seems bigger than it is. Also, when something breaks, you tend to remember that, but when an update goes smoothly, you forget about it. So your long-term memory is always a bit biased towards instability and breakages, so your OS at present seems more stable than it was in the past.

Maybe that’s the case but i also find i just don’t have the issues that i see a lot of people refer to and i wonder how and why. I think a lot of people make all kinds of changes to the particular desktop they are using and that’s where the issues happen. I don’t tend to do a lot of that so i don’t break things often. :man_shrugging:

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The answer to that according to my limited knowledge is “hardware”. Every user’s hardware differs in at least some way.

Hardware is part of it and think there are other factors such as skill level and system maintenance. However, this biggest difference I have seen is expectations.

Different people have such different expectations. For one person, stability might mean that their system boots up and they can login. Another person might consider the fact that one application has one bit of functionality not working completely unacceptable.

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To be fair, even those perfectionist types ( :eyes: ) will still have way better luck with any Linux distro, than with “professional OS” :laughing:

Coz even if you have problem - you can get around it.

I think the only OS that constantly broke with updates was gentoo for me. It was more of an experiment for me anyway, the whole “compile every little thing” approach got annoying rather quickly. Never had such problems with other distros. Then again, I never used and will never use Nvidia. :wink:

That is true, but I think it is unfair and unreasonable to judge the stability of an operating system based on the functionality of a specific application (assuming the bug was introduced upstream, of course).

Yep.

Linux is more mature in general.

DEs are more mature and stable than ever, Deepin aside.

AMD hardware just works now in Linux, open source kernel drivers, meaning nvidia can be avoided completely.

Arch policy still holds though, reproducible builds from unpatched source as soon as released upstream. Into testing repo first then into stable repo when deemed sound.

Wait til your first major kernel update, stuff always breaks then. Even though Arch holds new kernels back from stable until the first point release, there are always bugs and regressions, some very serious.

5.10 LTS release was a real :poop: show.

Also takes other software time to catch up when new kernels are released, Virtualbox and NVidia drivers usually have issues until patched upstream.

The kernel is now arguably too big, mono-massive-lithic, good advice is always keep an LTS kernel installed on your system, just in case a new mainline kernel :poop: itself.

Don’t get too complacent though, make sure you have a working system backup & restore process and at least one LTS kernel to boot into.

Now that’s depressing. I received quite a few kernel updates since I installed EndeavourOS but never paid attention to the version. So don’t know if any of those were major or not.

I’ve been on EndeavourOS since Linux 5.6, and on Manjaro since 4.5, and I haven’t experienced anything like what you describe, apart from very minor kernel regressions that typically got fixed within a few days.

I do keep LTS kernels installed on all my computers, and those are what I typically use, unless I need something specific.

I do agree that Linux is massively bloated and at this point, starting to burst from all that bloat in it. I never liked Linux as a concept, to be honest. But until we get the Hurd (I wouldn’t hold my breath), it’s the best we have.

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I want to do the same that is install a LTS kernel. How do I do that ?

@moderators If I need to create a separate thread please just ask.

Like you install any package:

sudo pacman -S linux-lts linux-lts-headers

Pacman hooks will take care of everything, and next time you boot, if you use GRUB, you’ll have an option to boot with a Linux LTS kernel.

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By major I mean 5.9. 5.10 LTS, 5.11, 5.12 … etc. Next one is 5.13 which will be released reasonable soon.

Nothing overtly serious for me either, but I have read about others experiencing serious issues that brick systems (ie file system corruptions).

Well if you don’t run a latest mainline kernel variant then it makes sense you don’t experience any of their bugs or regressions.

On ext4? I find that very unlikely.

I never run lts kernels and i don’t have issues with mainline kernels very often.

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On sh**ty SSD it’s very likely, but not because of filesystem used :laughing:

No, but F2FS very recently had this exact issue.

I’ve had a btrfs file system brick itself, but that was a few years ago now.

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Installed LTS kernel successfully. Thanks a lot.

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