octopi has been useful for me. I will never criticize the inclusion of any app in EndeavourOS; removing unwanted apps is a fairly straight forward procedure. For myself, I would be happy to see a topic in the EndeavourOS forums specific to mention of current problematic packages and advice for remedy. So far I am extremely happy with the direction and philosophy EndeavourOS founders previously mentioned.
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Yes, one of the latest beta versions of Pamac had problems installing from AUR. But the updated version has no problems and works quite stable, at least I do not see any problems.
I think this is a good idea. Maybe even a section on the forum for known issues?
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Are the Endeavour community arch purists?
and - why donāt use pamac?
by the way - I can install pamac and all thePrograms that are shipped with Antergos.
not sure about purism. in the end itās each with his own. itās just a matter of having a very clean start for everyone. I agree personally with this philosophy. it allows me to build my system on top of a slim and minimal base. after a clean system install simply running pacman -S package1 package2 package3 allows for mass install of all needed packages. In fact i have a list i just paste there, then sit back and relax for half an hour.
regarding pamac, iāve been using Antergos for the last two years now. and for the last year iāve settled for octopi instead of pamac. i like the way it integrates with AUR (allowing upgrade of AUR packages, which pamac does not) and the fact that you can manage the repositories through its GUI, something you can do in ubuntu also (in ubuntu theyāre ppas). manjaro uses octopi, btw
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For me itās not āpuristā as much as "minimal ". Which is one reason I am moving away from Manjaro now when they are pursuing a partnership with Canonical with a graphical snap store pre installed among other things (like 200 noto fonts that somehow are hard dependencies for Manjaro xfce).
The forum already has sections for that, just look under General system, it is sub divided in: Pacman, Software and packages, beta release etc.
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Hi @tomkey
First of all welcome on the forum.
The majority of the community isnāt, that was my point and the reason why we didnāt choose Pamac is because of the problems it had in the past after updates. (Look at last weekās update.)
We know from experience with Antergos, that if thereās a problem with Pamac, then community members (especially newcomers) think itās our responsibility to solve the issue because we ship it by default. That is what we try to avoid here. Iām not saying that the apps we chose are update proof, Pamac has a, letās say, history with troubled updates.
Cromium, DropBox et al I couldnāt care less about, but wonāt the absence of Pamac make it a lot harder for absolute beginners to acclimatize if itās their first look on Arch based systems, or Linux as such for that matter?
i support this. either pamac or octopi or any other GUI package manager would be important to have IMO. Pidgin, parole, whatnot, not really so critical as the package manager.
Maybe. But also can be an oportuity to learn (not to mention what Bryan already stated); is not that hard and we can add an entry to the wiki.
For example anyone can install pamac-classic this way (IMHO is a good learning)
wget https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/snapshot/pamac-classic.tar.gz
tar -xf pamac-classic.tar.gz
cd pamac-classic
makepkg -si
cd ~
rm -r pamac-classic.tar.gz pamac-classic
Absolutely, it is a simple thing to do, but if your level of newbishness makes it hard tog find the terminal it might be intimidating enough to get that disc of Win7 and reinstalling it.
Terminal is scary stuff if all youāve used is GUI. 
Just my five centsā¦
@fernandomaroto I apologize for this elementary question, but if one installs a package manually in this way, how does it get updated? Is it then upon the user to manually monitor the git repo and update accordingly? Or is there a way to have the package included in future, automatic updates with whatever helper (here, pamac-classic) is being used? (Iāve installed packages manually before, but Iāve always been confused about this.) Thanks for your help.
I understand and accept your opinion. I started using linux in 2016, to me the change was not so easy too, but it was a lot of learning and exciting experience. (but i had time to spend on that)
Fell free to ask, donāt worry about it. Iām not a good example, AFAIK i never bothered updating AUR packages, and thatās not wise. Actually iām not sure if i still use any AUR package here though i may have some installed here. 
If you open pamac-manager for example, you can:
click the gear icon > preferences > AUR tab > Mark check AUR updates (my system is in portuguese, so iām not sure the exact text)
Keep in mind pamac comes with different executables, for example:
pamac-manager that you can use to search, install packages etc
pamac-tray is the one that stay in your system-tray and warn you about new updates.
If you want to use yay to handle your packages, yay -Syu should update all your packages, including AUR.
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Even if the packages were manually installed? Thatās my question.
Thanks!
No idea, as i said i never bothered with this hahaha 
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Yes, yay -Syu will update any package from AUR that you have installed and all non AUR packages.
yay -Sua will upgrade only AUR packages.
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yeah, youāre right. Pamac leads to big problems in many arch distrobitions. It needs to be improved. But thatās not why Pamac is fundamentally bad. Package managers can do good work (Yast and Synaptic). Personally, I install everything on the terminal. But I also think of the beginner, the Arch beginner.
Iām not saying that Pamac is bad, but I think itās better, especially for the beginner to begin with the terminal and install, letās say, Libreoffice or Steam, so they understand the basic commands better.
EDIT
This server is running Ubuntu and I have to say that Arch commands are more to the point than Ubuntu commands.
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