How do y'all deal with people who really dislike Linux?

I genuinely didn’t knew about this. Thanks!

But the same thing also happens when people talk about security.
At home, the door is locked when you leave the house, but Android is open like a barn door. I have nothing to hide. What else is there to discuss. Pointless

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I’d say the assumption about your gender likely has more to do with your username (winny) than your avatar.

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1000 pardons - I corrected my mistake! :memo:

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Hmm… I guess yeah. I think both come together to create the confusion.

No worries, no worries. Online, it can be hard to say for certain one’s gender without prior knowledge.

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:smiley:
I look at my little Newfoundland Penguin as my image and can’t tell it also :joy:
Take care! :wave:

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@winnyace that’s some good lookin’ waifu you got there on avatar! :joy:


Some people are :clown_face: some people are :frog:…and then there’s an occasional :turkey: !

P.S. But i’m really a :clown_face: offline!

P.P.S.

honka_animated-128px-5

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That’s easy for me as I am not a missionary. :laughing:

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ikr? :rofl:

I’ll take that as your way to say you’re funny offline too :sweat_smile:

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Yeah, here’s a glimpse of it:

:rofl:

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I guess you guys are right…
You can’t save someone who doesn’t want saving :cry:
I’d better tell my mum to stop sewing up my cape and mask. :man_superhero: :briefs:


you still could try and show them the result of

arch-audit
$ arch-audit -c
minizip is affected by arbitrary code execution. (CVE-2023-45853). Critical risk!
grub is affected by multiple issues. (CVE-2022-28737, CVE-2022-28736, CVE-2022-28735, CVE-2022-28734, CVE-2022-28733, CVE-2021-3697, CVE-2021-3696, CVE-2021-3695). High risk!
linux-lts is affected by multiple issues, information disclosure. (CVE-2022-28390, CVE-2022-28389, CVE-2022-28388, CVE-2022-27666, CVE-2022-26490, CVE-2022-1516, CVE-2022-1353, CVE-2022-1205, CVE-2022-1204, CVE-2022-1199, CVE-2022-1198, CVE-2022-1195, CVE-2022-1158, CVE-2022-1048, CVE-2022-1016, CVE-2022-1015, CVE-2022-0168, CVE-2021-44879, CVE-2021-4197, CVE-2022-0002, CVE-2022-0001). High risk!
edk2-shell is affected by certificate verification bypass. (CVE-2019-14560). Medium risk!
giflib is affected by information disclosure. (CVE-2020-23922). Medium risk!
libheif is affected by information disclosure. (CVE-2020-23109). Medium risk!
libtiff is affected by unknown, denial of service. (CVE-2022-48281, CVE-2022-3970, CVE-2022-3627, CVE-2022-3599, CVE-2022-3597, CVE-2022-3570, CVE-2022-34526, CVE-2022-2953, CVE-2022-2869, CVE-2022-2868, CVE-2022-2867, CVE-2022-2521, CVE-2022-2520, CVE-2022-2519, CVE-2022-2058, CVE-2022-2057, CVE-2022-2056, CVE-2022-1623, CVE-2022-1622, CVE-2022-1355, CVE-2022-1354). Medium risk!
linux is affected by multiple issues, insufficient validation. (CVE-2021-43976, CVE-2021-4095, CVE-2021-4028, CVE-2021-3847, CVE-2021-3752, CVE-2021-3669, CVE-2021-31615, CVE-2020-26560, CVE-2020-26559, CVE-2020-26557, CVE-2020-26556, CVE-2020-26555, CVE-2020-35501). Medium risk!
linux-zen is affected by multiple issues. (CVE-2021-43976, CVE-2021-4095, CVE-2021-4028, CVE-2021-3847, CVE-2021-3752, CVE-2021-3669). Medium risk!
openjpeg2 is affected by arbitrary code execution. (CVE-2021-3575). Medium risk!
openssl is affected by arbitrary command execution. (CVE-2022-2068). Medium risk!
openvpn is affected by information disclosure. (CVE-2021-3773). Medium risk!
perl is affected by signature forgery, directory traversal. (CVE-2020-16156, CVE-2021-36770). Medium risk!
wget is affected by information disclosure. (CVE-2021-31879). Medium risk!
xdg-utils is affected by information disclosure. (CVE-2020-27748). Medium risk!
lua51 is affected by denial of service. (CVE-2021-43519, CVE-2014-5461). Low risk!
lua52 is affected by denial of service. (CVE-2021-43519). Low risk!
lua53 is affected by denial of service. (CVE-2021-43519). Low risk!

and explain them their OS are way worse!

No wonder Linux popularization fails…

OR you can just say that whoever uses Linux get laid more frequently… :rofl:
Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, worked with Macs :man_shrugging:

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I’m not really sure I want Linux to get more popular. All the people I care for use it, and that’s good enough for me.

Around 2% was perfect for me. A software ecosystem benefits from many smart people using it. Smart and industrious people, hackers, those who get annoyed by broken things and fix them themselves. For Linux, there have always been certain barriers to entry that ensured it was mostly used by smart people, or at least those who are not idiots. When there is such a user base, the system may be clunky to use, but it offers power and total ownership over one’s computer.

As the whole thing gets more and more popular, more and more stupid people are using it, and the whole thing gets stupider. Wayland is a great example of that, being designed by smart (but mentally damaged) people for stupid people, who can’t be trusted with things that “smart people” can be trusted with. Like all programs knowing the global mouse position. :rofl: When your user base is stupid, the focus shifts towards convenience, and safety becomes an excuse to increase restrictions. And don’t get me started on bloat… :frog:

Popularity corrupts. Free software projects that were once started as weekend projects by some nerds now need “foundations” and “committees” to manage their development, and the whole thing becomes soulless. Sure, we get a lot of polish, but it’s polished crap. I notice as desktop GNU/Linux becomes more and more popular, I tend to shift towards more obscure setups. I imagine I’ll stop using Linux on the desktop if it ever reaches 10% – 20%, and I’ll probably shift to something else.

So I stopped trying to proselytise desktop GNU/Linux as some kind of computing salvation for the masses. Please, keep using your Androids and your iPhones and your niche gaming platforms with office suites. Just don’t come here to piss into my swimming pool.

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I can see your point, but to some degree, I want more convenience than “smart” points. A big reason why I went with Endeavour is because I got a bit annoyed with Arch’s DIY nature. I didn’t really tinker much with my OS to begin with, so Endeavour ended up being the best for me.

I think Linux won’t really attract the absolute normies (for the lack of a better term) for a very, very long time, maybe never. Its strongest points are far too philosophical, in my opinion, for the average user to care. Most people just want their systems to work and that’s it. That’s fine. They, hopefully, have other things they are interested in, where they aren’t as normie that they dedicate their energy to.

I personally can’t comment on Wayland’s design choices. Such things go over my head, currently. I can say that popularity does have a lot of downsides and I also, personally, don’t like it either, but I don’t think obscurity is super great either. I think keeping your ideals straight, no matter what, matters more than how much fame you have.

First of all, if someone doesn’t like Linux, that is fine with me. I don’t need everyone to like the same things I do. I mean, there are also people in the world who don’t like pizza. Not everyone has good taste. :rofl:

As far as Linux advocacy goes, I think the key is not to try engage with everyone on it but instead the people who seem like they would be interested. Trying to forcibly convert someone to Linux will almost never work. Even if they do it, they will just get frustrated and switch back.

You need to find someone who is interested in the first place. There are lots of potential pathways into Linux:

  • Keeping old hardware working that is no longer supported in Windows
  • People searching for better privacy
  • Individuals who are technically minded who find trying new technology fun
  • People generally frustrated with their existing options

Not only does Linux have a learning curve but you need to be willing to deal with not being able to easily use certain software. Someone needs to be genuinely interested to get over those hurdles.

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  • People who like unixporn, but can’t do anything even close on SpywareOS :joy:
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I totally agree with you. I no longer care about the salvation of these lemmings either .

Whether IT or politics, they get what they have chosen for themselves …

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Worst possible example. EVERYBODY LOOOOOOOVES PIZZA.

(but… wait a minute… are you trying to say in the first place that not everybody loves linux??!)

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This reminds me that I spent my first twenty years or so with Linux trying to set the display resolution, so I could read what was on the screen. I managed this a couple years ago, and from then on it has been a great OS for me.

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I just let them know how awesome, configurable, and supported Linux is now. I don’t miss the malware, upgrade problems. Linux has some of the best software out there in every category. I can load a Linux distro today in less then half the time it take windows. IMHO

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